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15th October 2009, 08:36 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | I've been knocking for 5 years and still no answer... Hello all. As you can see I am agnostic, I don't believe in Christianity as much as I don't believe in any of the other religions. To me, each religion has as much proof as each other of being the truth. I've prayed to God, or whoever/whatever is out there. To show me the light.
I know the usual answer is "God doesn't give a clear message" or "He's been trying to tell you but you're ignoring the signs". If this God was as great and powerful as he's supposed to be. Surely he would be better at convincing his creations that he is their God? The amount of people going to Church is declining hugely. How could such a powerful being let the faith in him fall so much?
I know you will say "Well that's down to humans, not God". But it is down to God, he created us, he wants us to follow him. He needs to try a whole lot harder to win us over if he really is there! I'm off to Israel for 6 months. I didn't plan it, it's just happened. Maybe he's leading me there. or maybe i'm just in it for the nice weather. Who knows. | 
15th October 2009, 09:35 PM
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15th October 2009, 09:37 PM
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15th October 2009, 09:45 PM
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15th October 2009, 11:02 PM
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So each religion has as much proof of its validity as any other. This sort of assertion is like saying this measure will save jobs. There is no objective criteria to validate the claim.
So you have prayed to whoever to show you the light. Clearly you should not expect the God of the Bible to answer, for you must both believe He exists and rewards those who seek Him.
Why should God "be better at convincing His creations?" Some folks accept the gospel and others do not. God allows us to make the choice. When we repent and turn to Christ, we bring glory to God. When we reject the gospel, we judge ourselves unworthy of salvation. Sounds like God's plan of salvation is working perfectly.
The amount of people going to church is declining, according to you. What if I said, more people are attending church today, than at any time in history. While it is true that as a percentage of the world population, Christianity is declining, it is also true that the absolute number of Christians is increasing, just not quite as fast as the population. | 
15th October 2009, 11:57 PM
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16th October 2009, 10:37 AM
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As far as God "forcing us to believe" through proof or sign and wonder.. We are told that we have been given this life to prove to ourselves in whom we love more. Do we love God, or ourselves?? To all of those who need constant reassurance through signs and wonders, Don't actually love God. They follow God because they have been reassured of His power. Which ultimately leads back to a fear of hell over true love for the Lord. For those who love God, don't need constant reassurance.
we are also told that we live and a fallen world, and the we as a people will continue to fall away from God until the cup of man iniquity runs over. At that time God will call to an end, the reign of man. So basically it sounds by your observations that "we" are par for the course.
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16th October 2009, 11:45 AM
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Reps: 53,143,165,394,869,952 (power: 53,143,165,394,876) | | Originally Posted by Gooner1988 Hello all. As you can see I am agnostic, I don't believe in Christianity as much as I don't believe in any of the other religions. To me, each religion has as much proof as each other of being the truth. I've prayed to God, or whoever/whatever is out there. To show me the light.
I know the usual answer is "God doesn't give a clear message" or "He's been trying to tell you but you're ignoring the signs". If this God was as great and powerful as he's supposed to be. Surely he would be better at convincing his creations that he is their God? The amount of people going to Church is declining hugely. How could such a powerful being let the faith in him fall so much?
I know you will say "Well that's down to humans, not God". But it is down to God, he created us, he wants us to follow him. He needs to try a whole lot harder to win us over if he really is there! I'm off to Israel for 6 months. I didn't plan it, it's just happened. Maybe he's leading me there. or maybe i'm just in it for the nice weather. Who knows.
God IS big enough. And He WILL bring each of His children home (back to Himself). Keep knocking. Keep studying the Bible (Study it). Keep looking for God. He will come. It's just He has His plans. And sometimes, in His plans (because of the domino effect), some people have to come to Him at certain times (to make sure everything works out for everybody). Because God knows that when He changes one thing, many other things will change. And "you becoming a Christian" will change a path of some other people. God will let you find Himself if you truly want to find Him. But it will be in His time. Your duty is to keep searching. Patience is rewarded. Be patient.
PSA 27:14 Wait for the LORD; be strong and take heart and wait for the LORD.
You WILL reap amazing joy and happiness if you just keep searching. Don't give up. You will be blessed beyond your imagination whenever it will be time for you to find Him. Keep searching...
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19th October 2009, 05:48 PM
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19th October 2009, 08:16 PM
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