Study oros. That's what the beast's 7 heads are (including the one that is wounded). That's what the Bible says. It does NOT say a mountin = an individual king. If you choose to believe that it does, then sorry to say you are making stuff up.
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It is my contention that the first beast is rightly identified as the Byzantine (or Eastern Roman) Empire. The geography fits, the healed wound fits, the 3 uprooted horns fit and the approximate reign fits.
The image of the first beast must then be something similar to the Byzantine Empire - the proposed Mediterranean Union being an interesting development of the last few years. The second beast, then would have to be an empire/kingdom/nation which is somehow instrumental in setting up the image, a nation whose name is also the name of a man and that man's number (derived from the name) must add to 666 (although that man himself has nothing to do with the empire/kingdom/nation).
Revelation 17: 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (there is your Oros!). 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (that would be 7 people so far). 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (now we are at 8). 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (that is 10 more). 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.(8 kings + 10 kings = 18 kings)
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Wow, I hadn't put that together before. That's interesting. But it also says that of the seven kings, five have fallen, one is and one is yet to come. So, wouldn't we have to subtract at least five, if not six?
Are the ten horns on one of the seven heads or dispersed throughout all seven? I picture ten horns on one head - the seventh...but I could be wrong.
Regarding the head wound:
1. It could be the destruction of the gog armies by God. (Ezek 38/39, Isaiah 17, Joel 2, Rev 12)
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2. It could be an assassination attempt of the antichrist:
Zec 11:17"Woe to the worthless shepherd, who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right eye! May his arm be completely withered, his right eye totally blinded!"
(For some reason, I think of Rham Emmanuel - Obama's right hand man, when I think of this verse. His family is Jewish but they are also atheists, according to Ezekiel Emmanuel)
Anyway, I guess the head wound would depend on whether it's the beast itself that has the head would or the man who is appointed to be the "mouth" of the beast. The first part of Rev 13 makes me think it's the beast (a kingdom) but the last part makes me think it's the anti-christ (the mouth).
Wow, I hadn't put that together before. That's interesting. But it also says that of the seven kings, five have fallen, one is and one is yet to come. So, wouldn't we have to subtract at least five, if not six?
Are the ten horns on one of the seven heads or dispersed throughout all seven? I picture ten horns on one head - the seventh...but I could be wrong.
Regarding the head wound:
1. It could be the destruction of the gog armies by God. (Ezek 38/39, Isaiah 17, Joel 2, Rev 12)
or
2. It could be an assassination attempt of the antichrist:
Zec 11:17"Woe to the worthless shepherd, who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right eye! May his arm be completely withered, his right eye totally blinded!"
(For some reason, I think of Rham Emmanuel - Obama's right hand man, when I think of this verse. His family is Jewish but they are also atheists, according to Ezekiel Emmanuel)
Anyway, I guess the head wound would depend on whether it's the beast itself that has the head would or the man who is appointed to be the "mouth" of the beast. The first part of Rev 13 makes me think it's the beast (a kingdom) but the last part makes me think it's the anti-christ (the mouth).
Regarding the Kings -- It is 18, but in 2 different groups. The 8 Beast/Mystery Kings, have lived throughout history as Satan's main representative ruler on Earth (i.e., Antiochus Ephiphanes, or the King of Tyre). So yes, you are correct, 6 of them are dead (I actually believe the 7th is dead too). And of course the 8th is the antichrist who is to come.
And then the second set of Kings are then 10 Final Rulers of the Earth who then give their power to the antichrist. So of course they are coming in the future. But in total, that chapter is describing 18 Kings who have lived throughout history and some that are still to come.
And YES, the Beast would have one head that contains all ten horns, presumably. Because those horns are all a part of the Antichrist's "head." Most depictions you'll find of this beast show a horn on every head, but what you stated is more accurate.
Rahm Emnanuel - That Zechariah verse seems to be alluding to the antichrist. I have often viewed it that way. And then just looking into occult sources, there are many many references to a "one-eyed Messiah." Makes one think. But it could be the AC's "advisor" or "mouthpiece" too. That's a very mysterious verse!
I think the the wound could def be an assassination attempt or the person actually being identified as "the return of ___(insert ruler here)____" and thus the world is amazed that this person is back from the dead.
Regarding it being a nation that is "wounded" I don't agree there. The antichrist will not have a nation or an empire. He will rule the entire planet. He does not have a rise to power. He is given global control from the 10 final political leaders of the Earth. His government will have no competition so there will be no wounding.
And I think Godg/Magog of course (as I said in the Gog thread) is a war that the antichrist somehow pretends to "win" or at least negotiates peace out of it. I think it sets him up for power.
Not to mention that just a plain reading says the Beast is going to be wounded. So I don't see a reason to read "nation" into that when the Scriptures confirm elsewhere that "the Beast" is an actual person. God bless.
Study oros. That's what the beast's 7 heads are (including the one that is wounded). That's what the Bible says. It does NOT say a mountin = an individual king. If you choose to believe that it does, then sorry to say you are making stuff up.
I think where we differ is that verse 10 begins with the word "And." So this is a distinct explanation from the "mountains" of verse 9, IMO.
The Bible does not say mountain = King. It says Head = King. It has dual meanings. Just how the woman is both "Mystery Babylon" the harlot, but is also a city (Rev 17:18). I mean it says very plainly there are Kings, so that's pretty much what I go with. God bless.
I believe the Leopard-Bear-Lion beast likely refers to the areas of Syria & Turkey (formerly part of Greece, aka the leopard in Daniel), Medo-Persia (aka Iran, the bear) and Iraq (formerly Babylonia, the lion).
This muslim empire held the temple mount since the 7th century and was a real threat to Europe and Christianity until the Battle of Tours.
"The people of Austrasia (Charles Martel's army), greater in number of soldiers and formidably armed, killed the king, Abd ar-Rahman," which effectively sealed off Europe from the Leopard-Bear-Lion Beast and preserved Christianity.
Bring Rev. 17 into a discussion of the fatal wound mentioned in Rev. 13 (the OP) is not helpful.
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Regarding the Kings -- It is 18, but in 2 different groups. The 8 Beast/Mystery Kings, have lived throughout history as Satan's main representative ruler on Earth (i.e., Antiochus Ephiphanes, or the King of Tyre). So yes, you are correct, 6 of them are dead (I actually believe the 7th is dead too). And of course the 8th is the antichrist who is to come.
And then the second set of Kings are then 10 Final Rulers of the Earth who then give their power to the antichrist. So of course they are coming in the future. But in total, that chapter is describing 18 Kings who have lived throughout history and some that are still to come.
Agreed
And YES, the Beast would have one head that contains all ten horns, presumably. Because those horns are all a part of the Antichrist's "head." Most depictions you'll find of this beast show a horn on every head, but what you stated is more accurate.
Yes, it makes sense.
Rahm Emnanuel - That Zechariah verse seems to be alluding to the antichrist. I have often viewed it that way. And then just looking into occult sources, there are many many references to a "one-eyed Messiah." Makes one think. But it could be the AC's "advisor" or "mouthpiece" too. That's a very mysterious verse!
Hmmm...really? Occult sources say a "one-eyed Messiah"? Wow! Certainly the devil can read the Bible and would have known that for thousands of years (since Zechariah wrote it), if it's not also found in the Book of Truth (mentioned in Daniel) that is in heaven which the devil would have read before he was cast out of heaven, where God is, and into heavenly realms.
I think the the wound could def be an assassination attempt or the person actually being identified as "the return of ___(insert ruler here)____" and thus the world is amazed that this person is back from the dead.
That thought came to my mind as well. For the whole world to follow it/him, it would have to be some trick.
Regarding it being a nation that is "wounded" I don't agree there. The antichrist will not have a nation or an empire. He will rule the entire planet. He does not have a rise to power. He is given global control from the 10 final political leaders of the Earth. His government will have no competition so there will be no wounding.
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And I think Godg/Magog of course (as I said in the Gog thread) is a war that the antichrist somehow pretends to "win" or at least negotiates peace out of it. I think it sets him up for power.
I completely agree. For one of the false miracles to be fire falling from the sky to convince people he's God - well, that's what God does when he takes out gog armies. So, it makes since that the anti-christ and false prophet would attempt to convince people by doing what God did.
Not to mention that just a plain reading says the Beast is going to be wounded. So I don't see a reason to read "nation" into that when the Scriptures confirm elsewhere that "the Beast" is an actual person. God bless.
...and confirmed by Rev 13. The anti-christ will be the face of the government. He will declare himself to be God...and strangely, people will believe it. Because the false prophet has to step in and enforce the anti-christ as God because the anti-christ was wounded by the sword- well, it makes me think that the apparent assassination attempt, as described in Zechariah, will happen after the anti-christ declares himself to be God. Wouldn't it have to be the order of events because of the fact that the false prophet has to take over?
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