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Old 18th October 2009, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Yes --- but not the kind of fear that atheists are familiar with.
So would you say that a goal in witnessing is to make Atheists afraid of God?
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Old 18th October 2009, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Lady Kate View Post
So would you say that a goal in witnessing is to make Atheists afraid of God?

Creationists are obsessed with the idea that all scientists are atheists who secretly hate God, and that if they converted, they would immediately abandon their blasphemous science.

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth, but whatever.
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Originally Posted by godsmission View Post
Did you notice there was no mention of Atheists in foxholes?
Yes, I did --- I just assumed he was never in a foxhole.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
As they say, there are no atheists in foxholes
I am an atheist and a soldier and I have seen combat. Same deal with the rest of my fire team, we were atheists before training and remained atheists after combat.
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Originally Posted by Tammisto View Post
I am an atheist and a soldier and I have seen combat. Same deal with the rest of my fire team, we were atheists before training and remained atheists after combat.
Congratulations --- I salute you!

Now you know what the VET stands for in my name.

Only I didn't see combat like you did.
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Originally Posted by Tammisto View Post
I am an atheist and a soldier and I have seen combat. Same deal with the rest of my fire team, we were atheists before training and remained atheists after combat.
Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Congratulations --- I salute you!

Now you know what the VET stands for in my name.

Only I didn't see combat like you did.
Did you notice there was no mention of Atheists in foxholes?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Congratulations --- I salute you!

Now you know what the VET stands for in my name.

Only I didn't see combat like you did.
But you have seen combat... your platitudes vs. his facts.

Facts won.
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Originally Posted by godsmission View Post
Did you notice there was no mention of Atheists in foxholes?
Yea we noticed that.

You didn't really expect them to change did you?
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Getting in late here--but back to the OP:

I don't know what Aristotle believed about air. My field is medicine. I do know that Hippocrates believed that the body was composed of 4 humors, blood, phlegm, black bile, and yellow bile. And disease was caused when these humors were out of balance. This idea, or some variation was pretty much the state of the art in medicine for centuries. It was the science of its day. And totally wrong. As was clearly shown by the development of cellular pathology in the 19th century. But here's the thing about real science. It will admit that many of its conclusions and specifics are tentative. And it will correct itself when new evidence clearly contradicts its earlier postulates. That's a big difference in science and religion. Good science is based on observation and experimentation, and is always subject to change. Religion is based on revelation and claims inerrancy. It will never admit that its teachings and beliefs could be wrong. And it's obvious that we have obtained overwhelmingly more accurate and useful information about our world through the scientific method than all the religious myths in history have ever provided.
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