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Old 16th October 2009, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MoonLancer View Post
Christians use cancer as a sign god heals because cancer can go into remission spontaneously. Many times without prayer. So it begs the question. How do you tell if the cancer spontaneously went into remission while coincidentally they were also praying for the cancer to go away... vs prayer curing cancer.
Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff View Post
What healing miracles? Every example I've seen can be explained by natural causes (i.e. person's immune system, cancer going into remission, etc).
... Very coincidental natural causes ...
Originally Posted by MoonLancer View Post
I will become a christian if you show me god biologically healing (ie regenerating) the limb of a person through prayer alone.
Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff View Post
A real miracle would be something like an amputee regrowing a limb, but strangely that never seems to happen...
Calanda, Spain, Miguel-Juan Pellicer, 1640(PDF: 124k) Miracle of Calanda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and of course,
"And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus answered and said, "Stop! No more of this." And He touched his ear and healed him." (Luke 22:50-51)
and some different miracles:
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Modern miracles
Originally Posted by MoonLancer View Post
I have never seen a claim that god heals that was not anecdotal in nature and lacking in detail and evidence. There is no evidence that shows prayer has a cause and effect relationship with healing.
There are some studies that suggest prayer does,
BBC News | Health | 'Healing power of prayer revealed'
Prayer has real medical benefit
American Heart Journal, Nov. 2001
Positive Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer in a Coronary Care Unit Population
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Old 16th October 2009, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
Calanda, Spain, Miguel-Juan Pellicer, 1640(PDF: 124k) Miracle of Calanda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and of course,
"And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus answered and said, "Stop! No more of this." And He touched his ear and healed him." (Luke 22:50-51)
and some different miracles:
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Modern miracles
So let's see:

We've got an alleged event from the 17th century (back when they burned people suspected of witchcraft), a Bible quote, and an anecdotal news article.

Not very impressive.
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Old 17th October 2009, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
There are some studies that suggest prayer does.
Prayer benifits the person who prays, no one else, it works a little like confession, it make the person feel better, if prayer, confession or religion can make a person feel better then it's doing it's job because that's all they are about, making a body feel good.
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
I guess things should be assessed this way in science, it's more when it overspills into one's predominant thought, like 'everything I feel and think is just chemical reactions and nerve impulses' and asserting that there can't be things like a soul.
You say that it is necessary in science... then you vacillate. Why?
Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
Certain healing miracles? Near death experiences where people see and hear things they couldn't have if they were still in their body?
Anectodal and no such incidence has been shown to be a miracle (ie without a natural explanation).

Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
... Very coincidental natural causes ...
What is coincidential... that such "miracles" are so rare?


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There are some studies that suggest prayer does,
They sometimes have a placebol effect. I believe that studies show, however, that when others pray for a patient and the patient is ignorant of such prayers, that they have no effect.
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Nope, the studies previously listed were double-blind studies, the study you alluded to was not.

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The bible is indeed historically accurate
Does the New Testament provide a reliable history of Christ's life? - ChristianAnswers.Net
archaelology attests to much of it.
Anyone can do an internet search.

But sorry, I am leaving this section of the forum, I know when perhaps not to waste my time. God bless you all.
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The bible is indeed historically accurate
Does the New Testament provide a reliable history of Christ's life? - ChristianAnswers.Net
archaelology attests to much of it.
Anyone can do an internet search.

But sorry, I am leaving this section of the forum, I know when perhaps not to waste my time. God bless you all.
Are you telling me that the highly regarded scientific source "ChristianAnswers.net" said that the bible is historically accurate? Well, I'm really surprised.
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
The bible is indeed historically accurate
Does the New Testament provide a reliable history of Christ's life? - ChristianAnswers.Net
archaelology attests to much of it.
Anyone can do an internet search.

But sorry, I am leaving this section of the forum, I know when perhaps not to waste my time. God bless you all.
For the life of Jesus Christ, what has passed down to us are only small segments of His life here on earth. Much is missing and a whole lot is incomplete and very biased through the religious lens of those who wrote down what did get passed down.

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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
The bible is indeed historically accurate
Does the New Testament provide a reliable history of Christ's life? - ChristianAnswers.Net
archaelology attests to much of it.
Anyone can do an internet search.

But sorry, I am leaving this section of the forum, I know when perhaps not to waste my time. God bless you all.

No. ChristianAnswers.net is not historically authoritative. I'd much rather have a peer-reviewed journal on history as your source.
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