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Old 16th October 2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Ya --- I found a set of car keys the other day, embedded in smectite.

I didn't know cavemen drove Ford Explorers.
Did you take pictures?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
While you're huring, hur at the Skull of Zambia:

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So much for the species and the date. What about the “bullet hole”? Well, for one thing, it did not kill the individual. The edges of the lesion have started to heal, so whatever caused the hole was not the cause of death. Instead, the wound appears to have been a pathological, rather than a traumatic lesion, caused by an infection in the soft tissue over it. Few individuals survive a bullet to the brain; needless to say, the parietal bone on the opposite side is not shattered, as is claimed, but is very much intact. The individual may thus have died from a pathological condition, perhaps an abscess or ulcer that had become septic.
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Could you explain what you mean by "the unhealthy degree of naturalism" prevailing in science today? Science is the study of the natural/ physical world and must therefore limit itself to natural/ physical laws in its explanations of natural phenomena.
I guess things should be assessed this way in science, it's more when it overspills into one's predominant thought, like 'everything I feel and think is just chemical reactions and nerve impulses' and asserting that there can't be things like a soul.
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Unless someone comes up with a way of assessing supernatural effects or causes, it must be this way.
Certain healing miracles? Near death experiences where people see and hear things they couldn't have if they were still in their body?
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
Certain healing miracles?
What healing miracles? Every example I've seen can be explained by natural causes (i.e. person's immune system, cancer going into remission, etc).

A real miracle would be something like an amputee regrowing a limb, but strangely that never seems to happen...

Near death experiences where people see and hear things they couldn't have if they were still in their body?
Pesky science may have an answer for that one...
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
Certain healing miracles? Near death experiences where people see and hear things they couldn't have if they were still in their body?
I will become a christian if you show me god biologically healing (ie regenerating) the limb of a person through prayer alone. Christians use cancer as a sign god heals because cancer can go into remission spontaneously. Many times without prayer. So it begs the question. How do you tell if the cancer spontaneously went into remission while coincidentally they were also praying for the cancer to go away... vs prayer curing cancer.

I have never seen a claim that god heals that was not anecdotal in nature and lacking in detail and evidence. There is no evidence that shows prayer has a cause and effect relationship with healing.
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Old 16th October 2009, 03:34 PM
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So, if it looks like a bullet hole via casual inspection, then it must be a bullet hole...
From a rifle.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
From a rifle.
I'll try to speak your language: "The Skull of Zambia can Take A hike." End story.
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From a rifle.
so where is the bullet? It would have been in the skull because there is no exit wound.
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Originally Posted by MoonLancer View Post
so where is the bullet? It would have been in the skull because there is no exit wound.
If the bullet(s) entered in the skull, and exited through the eye, there would be no bullet(s).

Or vice versa.
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Originally Posted by catzrfluffy View Post
I am not against science, it has produced many good things for the world, I'm just against the unhealthy degree of naturalism which is the prevailing philosophy of modern science.
Saying there is an unhealthy degree of naturalism in science is akin to saying there is an unhealthy degree of food in cooking. "Improving" it through adding spirituality and the supernatural would be the same as "improving" cookery by adding poison.
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