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14th October 2009, 05:47 PM
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Marquette Bishop Alexander K. Sample, 49-years-old and one of the youngest US Catholic bishops, recently banned Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, 79, a retired auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Detroit and notorious promoter of homosexuality, contraception, and homosexual and women's ordination, from entering and speaking in his diocese, citing his pastoral duty to defend the "faith and morals" of the Catholic Church. The controversial bishop was set to address the group Marquette Citizens for Peace and Justice.
"As the Bishop of the Diocese of Marquette, I am the chief shepherd and teacher of the Catholic faithful of the Upper Peninsula entrusted to my pastoral care," said Bishop Sample in a public statement. "As such I am charged with the grave responsibility to keep clearly before my people the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and morals."
"Given Bishop Gumbleton's very public position on certain important matters of Catholic teaching, specifically with regard to homosexuality and the ordination of women to the priesthood, it was my judgment that his presence in Marquette would not be helpful to me in fulfilling my responsibility."
The elder prelate, who once held the title of Vicar General of Detroit, counts himself as a member of radical heterodox groups such as New Ways Ministry and Call to Action, both of which have been censured by the Vatican for moral and doctrinal reasons, especially over the promotion of homosexual behavior as a valid normative lifestyle. Members of Call to Action are also excommunicated in one US diocese and the group agitates for contraception, abortion, divorce and remarriage, and change in the governmental structure of the Church.
Gumbleton's career as an active and well-known "liberal" prelate came to an abrupt end in 2006, when the Vatican denied his request to continue on as Auxiliary Bishop to Detroit Cardinal Adam Maida upon reaching the mandatory retirement age of 75.
For his part, Sample made clear that banning Gumbleton had nothing to do with either Marquette Citizens for Peace and Justice or the topic of Gumbleton's speech, which concerned the matter of peace and justice.
Instead, the deciding factor, said Sample, was the potential for Gumbleton to mislead members of his diocese on Church teachings through discussions and interactions either tangential or unrelated to the topic of Gumbleton's speech.
"I was concerned about his well-known and public stature and position on these issues and my inability to keep these matters from coming up in discussion," added Sample. "In order that no one becomes confused, everyone under my pastoral care must receive clear teaching on these important doctrines."
Sample stated that he regretted the public controversy, but made clear that Gumbleton had put him in that position by neglecting "common courtesy" between bishops, which requires them to ask permission before entering the diocese of another bishop. Instead, Gumbleton had informed Sample of his intention to speak at the event organized by Marquette Citizens for Peace and Justice on October 9, after the upcoming event was made public.
However, this is not the first time that Gumbleton has been banned from a diocese in which informing the local ordinary of his presence was an afterthought.
In 2007, bishop Gerald F. Kicanas banned Gumbleton from entering his jurisdiction after he discovered that Call to Action had arranged for him to speak at Catholic churches and schools in the diocese.
For pro-life and pro-family leaders - both inside and outside the Catholic Church - Sample's stand against Gumbleton is being interpreted as a sign of hope and a reminder of a generational changing of the guard within the Catholic Church.
Gumbleton is 30 years senior to Sample, and represents an aging and shrinking demographic of US bishops whose heterodox opinions were formed in seminaries during the 1950s and who were active in ministry during the cultural upheaval of the 1960s and 70s.
Sample, on the other hand, represents a younger class of bishops formed during the papacy of John Paul II that have trended toward taking up the challenge of defending orthodox teachings on morals, doctrine, and liturgy.
"The bishops aren't sworn to each other, they are sworn to obey the gospels," veteran pro-life leader Joe Scheidler of the Chicago-based Pro-Life Action League told LifeSiteNews.com. Scheidler added that bishops nevertheless often do act like members of a "unique club" generally protecting each other and not talking about each other in public.
"But if a bishop is so bad" like Gumbleton, said Scheidler, "If they are doing something that is causing something that is causing scandal, it takes a strong bishop to call them on the carpet." Read Bishop Alexander Sample's statement here. Continued- http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/oct/09101402.html
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14th October 2009, 06:19 PM
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We must pray for Bishop Gumbleton  I am very sorry to hear that he believes such things.
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14th October 2009, 06:37 PM
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We should write and thank him for his stand, and let him know that he is in our prayers.
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As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him...
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14th October 2009, 07:38 PM
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What a slanted article! No comments from Bishop Gumbledon. No comments from the organization that invited him. Extremely subjective, condemnatory descriptions that address "character" not specific actions.
It's obvious that the rube who wrote that article never attended Marquette University, a Jesuit institution in Marquette with a fine journalism program. They are probably dissecting this dreadful article as an example of what not to do when writing (along with descrying the censorship in their diocese.)
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What a slanted article! No comments from Bishop Gumbledon. No comments from the organization that invited him. Extremely subjective, condemnatory descriptions that address "character" not specific actions.
It's obvious that the rube who wrote that article never attended Marquette University, a Jesuit institution in Marquette with a fine journalism program. They are probably dissecting this dreadful article as an example of what not to do when writing (along with descrying the censorship in their diocese.)
I think Bishop Sample's statement says it all.
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14th October 2009, 08:05 PM
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Since Bishop Gumbleton's homilies sometimes appear in the NCR, I tried to find a passage that might suitably represent his opinion on all this. One homily--about the "hierarchs" and the "lower-archs" was very tempting.
But here goes. Bishop Gumbleton, I'm letting you respond because the pseudo-journalist didn't. And finally, if you want to hear what could happen, listen again to what James tells us today: “Wherever there is jealously and ambition [and power and might], you will also find discord and all that is evil. “Instead, the wisdom,” our first lesson today, “which comes from above is peace-loving. Persons with this wisdom show understanding and listen; they are full of compassion and good works; they are impartial and sincere. They are peacemakers who sow peace reap a harvest of justice.” That’s what could happen if we really began to follow the way of Jesus.
Thank you, Bishop Gumbleton. I see you would wish Bishop Sample peace.
You're a better man than I am, because I have a lot of trouble dealing with this new group of in-your-face bishops.
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14th October 2009, 08:05 PM
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It is interesting that the news cited, "it takes a strong bishop to call them on the carpet."
BTW, according to several sources, the idiom "call him/her/them on the carpet" refers to the medieval practice of placing a death warrant containing the name(s) of the condemned on the table carpet, which was made of aspestos. That aspestos carpet was tossed into the fire place after eating dinner to clean it. To have one's name placed on the carpet, then signified great disfavor.
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14th October 2009, 08:14 PM
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No heresy shall enter the Church of the Lord.
Amen.
Gotta love it when finally a Bishop shows us what the Church is made of.  St John the Apostle ran out of a bath house because he didnt want to be in the same place as a heretic....saying surely the bath house would come down.
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14th October 2009, 08:27 PM
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What a slanted article! No comments from Bishop Gumbledon. No comments from the organization that invited him. Extremely subjective, condemnatory descriptions that address "character" not specific actions.
It's obvious that the rube who wrote that article never attended Marquette University, a Jesuit institution in Marquette with a fine journalism program. They are probably dissecting this dreadful article as an example of what not to do when writing (along with descrying the censorship in their diocese.) I'm not a journalist, so I'm not going to critique the article, but it seems to me that however badly written the article may or may not be, it doesn't really change the facts of the story.
Bishop Gumbleton holds a number of positions in direct contradiction to the Church. Bishop Sample was concerned that his well known public position on these topics as well as his (+Sample's) inability to guarantee he didn't speak on these topics meant that he would not be properly fulfilling his pastoral duty to the people of his Diocese by allowing Bishop Gumbleton to speak.
Here is Bishop Sample's statement on the matter: Statement of Bishop Alexander K. Sample In Response to Bishop Thomas Gumbleton’s Public Appearance in the Diocese of Marquette :: Diocese of Marquette
Blessings, 
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