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Originally Posted by SolomonVII View Post
There are a group of individuals who choose to side against the Church because they are against the Church.
It is clear. There are a group of people here who are not being honest about being at one with their Catholic faith. It is not as if they are struggling with the tenets of the faith, but that they are actively striving against those tenets.
It is a sham really where we are required to say otherwise.
I posted it a few days ago in another thread, but the shoe fits so well...

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ON THE DOCTRINE OF THE MODERNISTS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X, SEPTEMBER 8, 1907
VENERABLE BRETHREN, HEALTH AND THE APOSTOLIC BLESSING:

1. One of the primary obligations assigned by Christ to the office divinely committed to Us of feeding the Lord's flock is that of guarding with the greatest vigilance the deposit of the faith delivered to the saints, rejecting the profane novelties of words and the gainsaying of knowledge falsely so called. There has never been a time when this watchfulness of the supreme pastor was not necessary to the Catholic body, for owing to the efforts of the enemy of the human race, there have never been lacking "men speaking perverse things,"1 "vain talkers and seducers,"2 "erring and driving into error."3 It must, however, be confessed that these latter days have witnessed a notable increase in the number of the enemies of the Cross of Christ, who, by arts entirely new and full of deceit, are striving to destroy the vital energy of the Church, and, as far as in them lies, utterly to subvert the very Kingdom of Christ. Wherefore We may no longer keep silence, lest We should seem to fail in Our most sacred duty, and lest the kindness that, in the hope of wiser counsels, We have hitherto shown them, should be set down to lack of diligence in the discharge of Our office.

2. That We should act without delay in this matter is made imperative especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church's open enemies; but, what is to be most dreaded and deplored, in her very bosom, and are the more mischievous the less they keep in the open. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, and, what is much more sad, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, animated by a false zeal for the Church, lacking the solid safeguards of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, put themselves forward as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the Person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious audacity, they degrade to the condition of a simple and ordinary man.

3. Although they express their astonishment that We should number them amongst the enemies of the Church, no one will be reasonably surprised that We should do so, if, leaving out of account the internal disposition of the soul, of which God alone is the Judge, he considers their tenets, their manner of speech, and their action. Nor indeed would he be wrong in regarding them as the most pernicious of all the adversaries of the Church. For, as We have said, they put into operation their designs for her undoing, not from without but from within. Hence, the danger is present almost in the very veins and heart of the Church, whose injury is the more certain from the very fact that their knowledge of her is more intimate. Moreover, they lay the ax not to the branches and shoots, but to the very root, that is, to the faith and its deepest fibers. And once having struck at this root of immortality, they proceed to diffuse poison through the whole tree, so that there is no part of Catholic truth which they leave untouched, none that they do not strive to corrupt. Further, none is more skillful, none more astute than they, in the employment of a thousand noxious devices; for they play the double part of rationalist and Catholic, and this so craftily that they easily lead the unwary into error; and as audacity is their chief characteristic, there is no conclusion of any kind from which they shrink or which they do not thrust forward with pertinacity and assurance To this must be added the fact, which indeed is well calculated to deceive souls, that they lead a life of the greatest activity, of assiduous and ardent application to every branch of learning, and that they possess, as a rule, a reputation for irreproachable morality. Finally, there is the fact which is all hut fatal to the hope of cure that their very doctrines have given such a bent to their minds, that they disdain all authority and brook no restraint; and relying upon a false conscience, they attempt to ascribe to a love of truth that which is in reality the result of pride and obstinacy.
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Originally Posted by WarriorAngel View Post
To Bishop Sample, who is following the Holy Spirit to a TEE.
Actually its:

...following the Holy Spirit to a 'T'.

Which is short for:

...following the Holy Spirit to a TURN.

Please see:

yourdictionary.com/idioms/to-a-t

(put a www in front, still unable to post a link)
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Originally Posted by WarriorAngel View Post
The Church has all theological rights to censor.
Christ gave this power to His Church.
And specifically to St Peter and his succession.

Well, if that's really the stand the church wants to take, the why doesn't the Vatican just silence everyone on the issues involved ?

Its essentially been done on Humane Vitae already.

Yeah, ok, its both anti-intellectual and anti-academic freedom, but so what ?

Academics are forbidden to pursued the intricacies of Humane Vitae already anyway, these other issues shouldn't be anywhere near as controversial
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Originally Posted by Fantine View Post
To the contrary...

One need look back no further than the Chinese cultural revolution to see that censorship can be used to suppress Christian books and media, too.

(Any implied comparison of Bishop Sample to Chairman Mao is purely accidental.)
Worldly Fantine...
You cant compare apples to oranges or bananas.

This is within the Church and about the Church and what the secular world does is a totally different thing.
Originally Posted by Steve "Sonic" Smith View Post
Well, if that's really the stand the church wants to take, the why doesn't the Vatican just silence everyone on the issues involved ?

Its essentially been done on Humane Vitae already.

Yeah, ok, its both anti-intellectual and anti-academic freedom, but so what ?

Academics are forbidden to pursued the intricacies of Humane Vitae already anyway, these other issues shouldn't be anywhere near as controversial
He is silenced.
As a retired prelate and he does not exercise teaching authority over the laity anymore.
He could have been allowed - but he wasn't given that.

Whatsup with dat..?
IE - they said - no - and please be quiet sir.
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