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14th October 2009, 08:30 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,836) | | Originally Posted by WarriorAngel   To Bishop Sample, who is following the Holy Spirit to a TEE.
No heresy shall enter the Church of the Lord.
Amen.
Gotta love it when finally a Bishop shows us what the Church is made of.  St John the Apostle ran out of a bath house because he didnt want to be in the same place as a heretic....saying surely the bath house would come down.
Yes, and an earthquake destroyed that bath house shortly afterwards. His words were true.
That was a time when Bishops were not afraid of preaching the truth in season or out.
Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us and protect us by Your Holy Cross.
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14th October 2009, 09:02 PM
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14th October 2009, 09:10 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,836) | | Originally Posted by 2Cosmic2Charlie Draw guns.
LOL
This is not an old western movie.
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14th October 2009, 10:25 PM
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Reps: 1,020,252,402,594,412 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MariaRegina LOL
This is not an old western movie.
You're right its not.
The Sample is acting like it is. This has got a "I'll give you until sundown to get out of town" tinge to it.
Its also kind of childish. "Stay out of my yard"
If I was the other Bishop I'd stand on the border of his dioese and put one foot in, then remove it repeatedly while saying "I'm in, I'm out"
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14th October 2009, 10:28 PM
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You put your right foot out,
You put your right foot in,
And you shake it all about.
. . .
He is just doing his little aggravating dance.
Now who is more childish?
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14th October 2009, 10:37 PM
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Reps: 670,469,667,826,288,640 (power: 670,469,667,826,312) | | | Thing is, it is protocol for a Bishop to ask permission when coming into the diocese of another Bishop to teach and speak. He did not do that until after he was refused and just before the event.
And he has been banned by other Bishops as well for similar things.
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14th October 2009, 11:01 PM
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14th October 2009, 11:04 PM
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15th October 2009, 12:10 AM
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Reps: 409,424,926,118,870,016 (power: 409,424,926,118,891) | | | I would like to state that I am aware the Church has a hierarchical structure.
But the concept of what constitutes an effective leader has changed in the past 500 years (although bishops like Sample, Marino, Burke, and Chaput don't recognize it.)
Jesus, of course, set the example of servant leadership.
But the modern concept of leadership recognizes that effective leaders are collaborative teambuilders, that they affirm the people whom they lead, that the people they lead give them the capacity to lead through the mutual respect they share.
And so then along come these bishops who think they can browbeat and bully people into submission. When I hear their names, an image comes into my mind--the soup Nazi on Seinfeld. "No Communion for you..." (Did I mention the soup Nazi was arbitrary and capricious?)
And so it has nothing to do with their conservatism (unless you associate controlling, dictatorial leadership style with conservatism.) It has to do with how little they follow Jesus' model of servant leadership.
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15th October 2009, 01:17 AM
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Reps: 116,535,224,169,118,624 (power: 116,535,224,169,124) | | Originally Posted by Fantine I would like to state that I am aware the Church has a hierarchical structure.
But the concept of what constitutes an effective leader has changed in the past 500 years (although bishops like Sample, Marino, Burke, and Chaput don't recognize it.)
Jesus, of course, set the example of servant leadership.
But the modern concept of leadership recognizes that effective leaders are collaborative teambuilders, that they affirm the people whom they lead, that the people they lead give them the capacity to lead through the mutual respect they share.
And so then along come these bishops who think they can browbeat and bully people into submission. When I hear their names, an image comes into my mind--the soup Nazi on Seinfeld. "No Communion for you..." (Did I mention the soup Nazi was arbitrary and capricious?)
And so it has nothing to do with their conservatism (unless you associate controlling, dictatorial leadership style with conservatism.) It has to do with how little they follow Jesus' model of servant leadership.
But what you seem to be forgetting is that leadership is only one part of the Bishop's role. Probably more relevant to this situation is his role as a protector of the faithful in his Diocese.
Bishop Sample's actions are not about bullying people into submission. They are about protecting the people of his Diocese from being potentially exposed to something that may be damaging to their Catholic faith, and for that he should be commeneded.
I pray that we see more Bishop's around the world willing to take a similar stance in similar situations.
Blessings,
Steve
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