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Old 13th October 2009, 09:21 AM
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John Paul Jackson

John Paul Jackson, is this guy a prophet? I saw him a program the other day revealing prophetic dreams. And I've read he is an accurate prophet, yet, haven't been able to locate any of his previously stated prophecies to examine their accuracy.

Also, I do have an issue with selling prophecies. I can't imagine Jesus, or, the apostles publishing and selling prophecies. Of course if they shared the prophecies in depth to the churches and sold the book, I suppose that would be ethical. Perhaps JPJ is doing that.
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Old 13th October 2009, 09:36 AM
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John Paul Jackson?s ?Perfect Storm? prophecy

Apparently JPJ has given a word on this matter freely on the internet. Above is the address.
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Old 13th October 2009, 11:15 AM
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I heard some of his teachings and prophecies.He seemed to be an honest man.Of course we should look out.He seemed a good christian to me.There are some videos on youtube.
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I heard some of his teachings and prophecies.He seemed to be an honest man.Of course we should look out.He seemed a good christian to me.There are some videos on youtube.
I've looked up lists on prophecies by many popular Christian personalities. So far, I've not found one with an accurate history. If there are any I've missed them.

Let me know if you find a list of his predictions anywhere except for the current ones.

I enjoyed listening to him but, enjoyed listening to others who turned out to be wrong.

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This guy is peering into the future, not focusing on the Father, Jesus is our redeemer,
The Act of the Father and the Act of Jesus are Finished. The Father does not lift His
Hand away from these Acts. The United States is of creation and not of the Father.
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I've contemplated this off and on for years. I know the prophet to be considered of God should be accurate ect. But even in the Bible prophecies sometimes were given decades, centuries and even millenia ahead of time while other word was instantaneous.

I know for myself when I've received something after getting the symbols and message more clear knowing the time frame is almost always more difficult. So how do we decipher future events that are foretold by the Perfect Lord to imperfect and fallable humans?

So how would we judge future messages, but of course if they are date setting and making x claims for x days that is a whole nother topic altogether. Sorry people I've been rambling here while I'm trying to gather my own thoughts.
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I've contemplated this off and on for years. I know the prophet to be considered of God should be accurate ect. But even in the Bible prophecies sometimes were given decades, centuries and even millenia ahead of time while other word was instantaneous.

I know for myself when I've received something after getting the symbols and message more clear knowing the time frame is almost always more difficult. So how do we decipher future events that are foretold by the Perfect Lord to imperfect and fallable humans?

So how would we judge future messages, but of course if they are date setting and making x claims for x days that is a whole nother topic altogether. Sorry people I've been rambling here while I'm trying to gather my own thoughts.
JPJ has given a time period for events he's predicting: 10 years. Also, some of his dreams he describes not as prophetic, in that they will come to pass he says they may and suggests we need to pray about them. Others he says will come to pass and claims certain things to be absolute.

What I'm looking for from him is, documentation regarding his previous predictions so I can assess his accuracy.

For instance I'm not convinced I'm a prophet. However, I've definitely had prophetic dreams that have come to pass. I've had some dreams, I believe were confirmed to me to be from God. Yet, that's what I believe I'm not asking anyone else to believe it. God hasn't said to me "tell my people" or "thus saith the Lord."

I've posted some dream here that I've stated I believe are from God, and, some I believe may be prophetic. Time will tell, and, hopefully my level of understanding and discernment will also. If I ever reach a point where I can say "thus saith the Lord" then I put other people at risk by making predictions openly. And it would be important for my past record of predictions to be transparent.

Also when claiming healings actual validation is important. I've seen many healings but can only validate one. God did that one in a hospital in front of doctor's, nurses and family members. So if God were ever to call me to a healing ministry I would, ask people to come with validated medical conditions, and, return to their doctors and validate the healing. Just as Jesus told some to show themselves to the priests. But then I'd make those documents public and that's how it should be done to prove your not just scamming people who have otherwise lost hope and are desperate.

The church should demand such transparency to keep our house in order.
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It's funny that you have 222 views on this post, and only a few responses. (-;

Hello out there! Yes, you.


Jackson has spoken at our church before, and he is a normal, devoted man who believes God wants him in this ministry. I do not agree with everything he says, but you know me -- I never agree with everything anyone says.

It is our responsibility to disagree when we need to. It is also our scriptural responsibility to encourage prophecy. We are all called to hear from God, and to share what God has given us to edify the Body of Christ, the fellowship.

We are warned not to flock to prophets to hear what we want to hear. That doesn't mean books and tapes are wrong... they are just forms of communicating more broadly. But we should be careful about looking to prophets to find out what God is saying, because He dwells in us!

Why depend on the middle man.

The church should demand such transparency to keep our house in order.
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An extra note -- these Morningstar-affiliated ministers come from a background where everyone prophesies and exercises the gifts in a normal Sunday service. They pray over what they hear. Where it is commonplace, it is a lot less "thus saith."

Even though he posts his prophecies, I think he acts as a coordinator more than a Grand Poo-bah of God's intent. God speaks to everyone, and he knows that.

I don't go to the site often -- I find similar messages in people's dreams here, and prefer to know that God speaks to and through every one of us, even when we don't quite believe it. Grassroots ministry is so much more interesting. It is the same God communicating with us, through us, dwelling where we gather.

He is amazing. (God)

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It is confusion between the role of an OT prophet and NT prophet.

Peter made this contrast:

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

OT prophet--true ones and false ones
NT teacher--true ones and false ones

This is the reason NT teachers will be judged more severly; they are in effect 'speaking for God', just as the OT prophet did. One better get it right (James 3:1)

The NT teacher "replaces" the OT prophet.

So what does the NT prophet do?

1 Cor. 14:3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

Brief definitions:

Edification-build up
Exhort-encourage
Console-comfort

So where does John Paul Jackson fit? An OT prophet in NT clothes? A fortune-teller? A NT teacher? A NT prophet?

It's not just him, but many others. But it's not surprising to find that their "prophecies" are hit-and-miss.

I'd also say that dreams and visions from God either for you or for the Body would fall into those three categories to edify, encourage, and console.
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