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Question Pentecostal women dress style

hi i visited a apostolic pentecostal church last sunday...was bombarded however by how the women were dressed..either all skirts and dresses..and long hair either hanging crazy long or high on their heads..and no makeup..what is up with this? I got home and research some sites on apostolic beliefs..and they believe its a sin for women to cut their hair..and women cant wear makeup or jewlery and that they cant wear pants...which could never work for me because i do all of the above..and cant wear a skirt as a cop!! i also heard they dont believe in putting oneself in a situation where they might have to kill someone even if it were to be self-defense...so they try to petition out of having to serve on the battlefield during activity duty in the military or they leave all togher...which will never work for me either as cop..can someone explain this to me?? because the church was good 100 percent word of God...it was a majority white church but the way they dressed almost made them look like foreigners like...russian or some other different type of european..like the duggard family on tlc...it was very different for me
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hi i visited a apostolic pentecostal church last sunday...was bombarded however by how the women were dressed..either all skirts and dresses..and long hair either hanging crazy long or high on their heads..and no makeup..what is up with this? I got home and research some sites on apostolic beliefs..and they believe its a sin for women to cut their hair..and women cant wear makeup or jewlery and that they cant wear pants...which could never work for me because i do all of the above..and cant wear a skirt as a cop!! i also heard they dont believe in putting oneself in a situation where they might have to kill someone even if it were to be self-defense...so they try to petition out of having to serve on the battlefield during activity duty in the military or they leave all togher...which will never work for me either as cop..can someone explain this to me?? because the church was good 100 percent word of God...it was a majority white church but the way they dressed almost made them look like foreigners like...russian or some other different type of european..like the duggard family on tlc...it was very different for me
I think I can tell you why they stress that. They base that on Scriptures that talk about being modest and dressing feminine, and for some reason, they don't think pants "fit the bill". But that isn't limited to churches within the Pentecostal sect; Some Independent Baptists churches have been known to practice similar rituals, too.

I, however, believe that a lady can wear pants, and be dressed very appropriately. Pants, of course, outline the shape of the legs, but on both genders, and not just women. So long as they aren't skin-tight, there are plenty of pants out there that are just as modest (if not moreso) than many skirts. There are also skirts that are modest, as well as immodest. As for the issue of "pertaining to men", it seems like they only think of pants, but think nothing of sneakers, boots, or sweaters which, like pants, were worn by men first. Yet all are made in women's styles, making them fall in the "generic" category. I think as long as a lady is not deliberately dressing to come off as a man, then I think that's okay.

I fully understand that wearing only skirts can be a legitimate conviction of some women. If that is the case, then there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they remember that this conviction is not for everyone (look to Romans 14, which uses the eating of meat as an example, but any controversial topic within the Christian realm can be applied here).

You may find the following links somewhat helpful:
Does the Bible Say It's a Sin for Women to Wear Pants?
Holiness, Standards and Sin

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yea my sister talks about other cultures..and how women in indian cultures have been wearing pants for thousands of years...and God didnt have a problem with it
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Plus, if you think about it, men of the middle east, then and now, wear a dress-like garment. The admonition is for men to wear men's clothing, and women to wear women's clothing.

Clothing is symbolic sometimes as authority. When a rich man took off his robes and put on sackcloth, he was symbolically giving authority to God, assuming none for himself. This may be something similar. I never studied that scripture very deeply.
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hi i visited a apostolic pentecostal church last sunday...was bombarded however by how the women were dressed..either all skirts and dresses..and long hair either hanging crazy long or high on their heads..and no makeup..what is up with this? I got home and research some sites on apostolic beliefs..and they believe its a sin for women to cut their hair..and women cant wear makeup or jewlery and that they cant wear pants...which could never work for me because i do all of the above..and cant wear a skirt as a cop!! i also heard they dont believe in putting oneself in a situation where they might have to kill someone even if it were to be self-defense...so they try to petition out of having to serve on the battlefield during activity duty in the military or they leave all togher...which will never work for me either as cop..can someone explain this to me?? because the church was good 100 percent word of God...it was a majority white church but the way they dressed almost made them look like foreigners like...russian or some other different type of european..like the duggard family on tlc...it was very different for me
Well, all I can say is if they feel would be committing a sin by doing any of these things, then they are condemned by God. I have very good friend who was a United Pentecostal and she dressed like that as well. Fortunately for her she was very beautiful, had glorious long hair and wore tasteful clothing, although very very modest. One day at the office her workers hounded her until she allowed them to put make up on her face. I saw her in the restroom, she told me about it and she was upset and disgusted with herself and them. I couldn't resist saying "Charlene, what if Jesus comes back right this second and you have that makeup on, you won't go up in the rapture! She immediately started to scrub her makeup off. I felt bad about teasing her then. I'm thankful God loves me with my make-up on, pants on, etc. etc. And I was brought up in a strict pentecostal church. I don't want to offend the die hards with my "freedom", but neither are they going to lay a guilt trip on me with their traditions either. God bless and just talk to God about your own convictions.
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Well, all I can say is if they feel would be committing a sin by doing any of these things, then they are condemned by God.
See this one statement and pratice in some churches of the body of Christ is what made my twin sister leave to go to islam...there is no consistency..God is the same...sin is sin...sin isnt sin for one and then not the other..that is not biblical...God is not issuing out sin convictions on a personal level..its like people that say well God hasnt convicted me for watching porn so it "must be ok for me" and the other well God convicted it for me...so its condemned by God " for me" that isnt biblical.
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Not all Pentecostals/Apostolics are opposed to women's pants. New research and study has brought about enlightenment on the relevant scripture texts, and the issue appears to be controversial among their ranks.

So far as the history of pants goes, pants were not invented for men, and neither were men the first to wear pants. Pants were invented by the Medes & Persians in the 4th century B.C., where they were worn by BOTH sexes, but some historians say women were the first to wear them, being worn by Queen Medea. They were invented for warmth and for riding horses. Princesses in the royal court of King Darius wore pants and rode horses. You may like to read, "Pants A History AFoot", by Laurence Benaim.

The issue of pants is simply one of CULTURE. The word "skirt" appears 12 times in the Bible and each time refers to the skirt of a MAN. "Skirts" (plural) appears 7 times and is used of both men and women. What is considered "masculine" and "feminine" in clothing styles is a matter of culture--not Biblical mandates--and varies with nationality and historical era. If men could wear men's skirts in the ancient Biblical cultures of the Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans, women today can wear women's pants.

Pants did not take on male association until 1340, and only in Europe while Europe was greatly influenced by the Catholic Church, who issued denunciations against women wearing pants, and by the end of the 17th cen. a person could be hanged for wearing clothes of the opposite sex, as so defined by the Catholic Church.

Our European forefathers brought the cultural idea of pants symbolizing male (abusive) authority to our country, and laws based upon the inferiority of women were put into place in America.

It was during the abolitionist movement in our country that women became empowered to throw off male authority symbolism invoked upon pants, during the Middle Ages, and adapted a female version of pants. Elizabeth Smith Miller, an advocate of dress reform, introduced feminine pants into our culture, by contriving an outfit made of Turkish "harem" pants, or pantaloons, underneath a short skirt, and Amelia Jenks Bloomer was featured wearing the freedom dress in her magazine, "The Lily," in 1851. Women all over the country began wearing the outfit. Women did not copy men's wear, but simply "borrowed" from another CULTURE and country where pants had no male association.

Our country's first "feminists" tried to educate the public on the historical origin of pants, viz. Persia, in newspaper and magazine articles. The bifurcated bicycling outfit became immensely popular with the invention of the bicycle. Women found pants more practical and safer for riding bicycles than long, entangling skirts.

In light of history God had absolutely nothing at all to do with the separation of men in pants and women in dresses. The first "feminists" destroyed the concept, and pants are no longer a strictly male garment in our culture.

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Not all Pentecostal churches have a problem with women wearing pants and makeup. I am a pastor in a Pentecostal church, and wear pants, even when preaching sometimes. But my clothing is modest and appropriate for church. I would rather a woman wear a nice pair of slacks than a skin-tight dress.
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The Hair Issue

I would also like to add comments on the passage of 1 Cor. 1-16, which is used to teach against women cutting their hair (any length). I am the author of a booklet and several tracts dealing with this scripture passage and the hair issue.

The subject of the passage is veiling, but the Oneness Pentecostals, such as the UPCI, fail to acknowledge this, which causes their doctrine to be quite peculiar. Their teaching is that the "covering" of vv4,5,6,7 is the long (uncut) hair of v15, but this is linguistically impossible, and "long" hair is not necessarily "uncut".

Daniel Segraves, UPCI author of "Hair Length in the Bible", states on p23, "It is wrong to say that the verb cover means veil. ...Katakaluapto does not mean "veil." But Strong's Lexicon defines katakalupto #2619 as, "cover with a veil." It is a compound word of kata, meaning "down" and kalupto, meaning "to cover up." This covering that hangs down is best described by the English word, "veil." If author Segraves knows something the lexicographers, who wrote the Greek-English dictionaries, do not know, he fails to present the correct definition anywhere in his book.

In v4 the expression translated, "having his head covered", literally means "having down on a head." In Esther 6:12 most manuscripts of the Greek OT read that Haman went to his house "mourning down on a head"--a way of saying he put something over his head to show his mourning. Obviously, Haman did not grow long hair.

Plutarch in his "Sayings of the Romans," speaks of Scipio the Younger walking through Alexandria "having the garment down the head" (kata kephales), meaning that he concealed his head with part of his toga to avoid being recognized by the people. In v4 Paul uses the exact same phrase: kata kephales echon ... also meaning a garment covering the head--not having long hair. The word group, which includes the words translated, "cover" and "uncover" in vv5, 6, 7, and 13, is used in the Greek OT to refer to an external FABRIC covering over 80 times and never once to long hair.

I found the UPCI to be deceitful in citing the word definitions imperative to understanding the passage, along with skipping over the crucial element in its historical/cultural background. Segraves states on p37 that "long, uncut hair is given to a woman instead of a veil." He states the word, for, translated from the Greek, anti, means "against" or "instead of", and references Gingrich's Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament. But, on p17 of this particular lexicon, anti is actually defined as, "for, AS, in place of." Segraves totally leaves out "AS" in the definition, which is the correct meaning in light of the context.

In the Greek OT anti is most often used in matters of compensation--one object's value being compared to a different object's value, such as, "an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth." Anti is a word of comparison. In Eph. 5:31 Paul uses anti in speaking of the church's relationship to Christ. A man and woman becoming one flesh in marriage is anti to the body of Christ. The Apostle, like Jesus and the Prophets, used SYMBOLISM. A veil is LIKE long hair, or is COMPARED to long hair; being unveiled is LIKE, or COMPARED to, having hair cut short, or shaved. Strong's states katakalupto signifies that "hair that hangs down is too long for a man, and consequently hair that does not hang down on a woman is too short."

Another deceitfully cited definition is that of the Greek verb, keiro, translated into the English, "shorn" in v6. Much of the debate over whether a woman has the scriptural right to cut her hair any length, lies in the definition of this one little word, "shorn". According to Strong's Expanded Dictionary of the Bible Words, Thayer and Smith, "The NT Greek Lexicon", the King James Dictionary, Vine's Expository Dictionary, "shorn" and keiro are defined as, "to shear: a sheep"; cutting SHORT the hair of the head; to have one's hair CUT OFF; having the hair or wool CUT OFF..." Throughout the Greek OT the meaning of keiro is that of shearing sheep, and when applied to the human head in the NT (Acts 18:18; 1 Cor. 11:6) it bears the same meaning. It imples a very short cut. There are other Greek words for simply "to clip" or "to trim."

Although "to cut" without specifying any length is ONE, modern English definition of "shear," it is NOT the original Greek meaning of keiro! Keiro and xurao (shave) are closely related, etymologically, and used synonymously at times.

The Greek comic poet, Menander, wrote a play called Perikeiromene, which illustrates the literary use of the verb, keiro. The title is a combination of the Greek words, peri (around) + keiro (shear) + mene = woman who = the Woman Who Was Shorn All Around. The plot of the play is that a Corinthian soldier named Polemon has a lover named Glykera... One day Polemon sees the next-door neighbor, Moschion, come up to Glykera and give her a kiss, and she does not resist him, because she knows he is her brother... In a fit of jealousy Polemon then cuts off all her hair, which was an embarrassing situation for Glykera, because a shorn woman was quite frowned upon in Greco-Roman antiquity. The play's title gives the right idea--A Woman Shorned.

But, what does Segraves do? He defines keiro as "to have one's hair cut without specifying how much is cut off." In Segraves' footnotes one finds he is supposed to be citing from The Shorter Lexicon of the Greek NT, by F. Wilbur Gingrich. But, this dictionary does not present complete definitions. In the preface it states, "Emphasis is placed on the bare meanings of words; for more information the user must consult BAGD [Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich, Danker] or other works." But, the author does not refer to any other lexical works than this ONE to define keiro. Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words is the most complete, up-to-date Greek dictionary available and has been cross-referenced to all the leading lexical works.

The Greek verb, komao, translated "have long hair" in vv14, 15 has more than one meaning, depending upon the context, but the UPC chooses the definition of "let one's hair grow." Komao is also defined as "to wear tresses of hair," in Strong's and "to let the hair grow long" in other sources. The verb can have a general meaning referring to a measurement of length. Komao does not mean one has never cut his or her hair; hair could be cut some and still be within the bounds of the meaning of this word. Totally uncut hair is another Greek word--akersikomes.

The earliest usage of komao is found in the Greek poet, Homer, in reference to the soldiers that destroyed Troy. The Greek soldiers are known by the formula komoontes Achaioi where komoontes is just the participial form of komao. This is translated as "the long-haired Achaeans." Although they had "long" hair, they would CUT OFF SOME OF IT and leave it at tombs in honor of the dead (like most Greeks did throughout antiquity, including at the time of Christ.)

The meaning of UNSHORN hair was hair not cut SHORT. The ancient Greeks did not really have the concept of "trim". Generally, the only length into which hair was cut in the ancient Roman Empire was SHORT. Trimming split, damaged ends is a modern day innovation.

Ancient Greeks regarded losing one's hair as a sort of death, and to sympathize with the dead they would cut all their hair off at times. The playwright, Euripides, in Orestes, speaks of Helen of Troy, who rather than shearing (keiro) her hair to mourn the death of her sister, Clytemnestra, simply "trimmed" it. The verb, used by Euripides, is apeqrisen. In line 128 Electra, speaking of Helen, says, "Did ye mark how she cut off (apeqrisen) her hair only at the ends, careful to preserve its beauty?" Helen then sent these "tresses" to the tomb by her daughter and attendants. Although Helen "cut" her hair, she still had "long" hair, or komao. The Greek verb, apeqrisen, is defined as "to cut off" and is also used of objects.

The Spartans, the Greek soldiers who fought in the Persian Wars, had "long" hair, or komao, which they favored at shoulder-length.

The passage of 1 Cor. 11:1-16 is based upon culture--not salvation. "Long" hair did not differentiate between pagan women and Christian women. ALL women of the Roman Empire, who were free, had "long" hair, and men wore short hair cuts--the Ceasarcuts--after the Emperor. This was the norm throughout the Empire, not just the church at Corinth. It was not a "holiness standard." The Greeks had a long standing tradition of homosexuality, and the Romans considered it to be highly chic. But, beginning with Emperor Augustus, who had stern morals, people of the Empire began thinking their way out of homosexuality, and by the 1st century long hair on men and short cut hair on women came to be viewed as sexual inversions. The meaning given hair length in the Roman Empire does not exist today in our culture. Female slaves were recognized by their short hair cut, called the kepos, cut to the cheek or the jaw. Slaves were abundant in the Empire, and many slaves became Christians. If growing long hair were a requirement for salvation, how could a female slave have been saved?
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Originally Posted by Forealzchola View Post
hi i visited a apostolic pentecostal church last sunday...was bombarded however by how the women were dressed..either all skirts and dresses..and long hair either hanging crazy long or high on their heads..and no makeup..what is up with this? I got home and research some sites on apostolic beliefs..and they believe its a sin for women to cut their hair..and women cant wear makeup or jewlery and that they cant wear pants...which could never work for me because i do all of the above..and cant wear a skirt as a cop!! i also heard they dont believe in putting oneself in a situation where they might have to kill someone even if it were to be self-defense...so they try to petition out of having to serve on the battlefield during activity duty in the military or they leave all togher...which will never work for me either as cop..can someone explain this to me?? because the church was good 100 percent word of God...it was a majority white church but the way they dressed almost made them look like foreigners like...russian or some other different type of european..like the duggard family on tlc...it was very different for me
hi, I found your questions really interesting. I myself am Pentecostal. Most people are very surprised by the way us Pentecostals dress. The reason why we do not cut our hair is because the bible tells us that (not direct quote, just paraphrased) "a woman's long hair is her glory, and that a razor should never touch upon her head". That is the reason why we do not. And we wear skirts because "a woman should not wear what pertaineth to a man" same goes for a man, that he should not wear what pertaineth to a woman.

I read a post in here, and the man said that he would prefer a woman to wear nice pair of slacks rather than a tight dress, I say this. Each pentecostal church has it's on standards. basically they are all the same. Some allow formfitting dress, whilst some churches(including mine) do not allow it. Some churches are allowed to watch television, while most pentecostal churches aren't. I'd say only 20% of churches allow their saints to watch tv.

And about 95% of churches do not allow they're women to wear make-up, because many passages in the bible talk about it, as how ungodly women wore it and they were led astray from God. Such as Jezebel, she was so evil & wicked and she always wore make-up. I think they see it as a symbol or reference to evil and ungodly things. Also as a form of vain & trying to change one's appearance.

"And you, O desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life."

And as for conviction, the bible says that we should pray for God to give us conviction, and allow it. Personal convictions is more along the lines of, say a woman will not wear shiny beads or fake jewelry on her clothing or her hair pieces, even though she is allowed to. She might find that as distracting, or maybe as giving a man the wrong idea, or too much attention to a certain part of her body.

Another thing is clear nail polish. We are not allowed to wear colored nail polish. Kind of like make-up to us. But yet some people believe it is wrong to even wear clear nail polish, and some don't. I personally don't think it is wrong. It makes my nails look nice and clean, still plain, and strengthens them.

I think I've covered mostly everything in this forum. Anymore questions I will be more than grateful to answer. If you would like direct scripture for anything I have told you, I will get them for you. As I do not remember each individual scripture, but I will look them up. I know scripture but not all, I am only 17 lol
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