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No, not "Perfect Chance." More like "Fortunate Chance."
In the Great Cosic game of Chance, We got rolled a 7. Of course, that isn't saying that we couldn't have benefited from an 11 but it's just how the Dice fell this one time.
One time. FOR ALL THIS? Are you kidding me? The dice would of had to fall by chance multi millions of times on the number seven to give us EVREYTHING we have. WOW. Nice try though.
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ToE explains everything I know, but not without hope, chance or faith. So has ToE figured out when we fianlly were able to see and how long we groped around in the darkness? lookng for a mate? looking for food? Our eyes knew there was going to be things to see so thats why they developed? Where did that info come from? Two eyes , how convinient. Just by perfect chance.
Yes ToE explains all this nicely. Descent with modification by means of natural/sexual selection.
"Perfect chance" had absolutely nothing to do with it. Life only had to evolve just once. That's it, once. The antrhopic principle is like a puddle saying look how perfect this hole is that holds us.
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You sure told me. I am totally convinced now. Everything we see and have all came about by perfect chance.
When there are trillions of stars and planets in the observable universe, then yes, it isn't at all surprising.
Originally Posted by Meshach
I thought for sure there was an intelligence behind it. All that information just happened to happen. Lucky us. We will just take it for granted and ignore any other possibilities.
No, but we probably won't bother with theories that aren't supported by any evidence, violate parsimony and use the "God-of-the-Gaps" logical fallacy.
Originally Posted by Meshach
Every since you came in here I have noticed your responses to be filled with a haughtiness and pride.
K thats nice bro
Originally Posted by Meshach
You consider yourself an expert and no can can tell you nothing.
No. If you ever see a factual mistake in one of my posts, feel free to point it out politely, and explain how I am incorrect via logic and scientific evidence. That doesn't mean quoting Scripture to disprove science.
Originally Posted by Meshach
Rather your going to set us straight. Your pretending to be a Christian, right?
Lol no, I am a Christian, but you can continue throwing unrelated insults at me if you wish.
ToE explains everything I know, but not without hope, chance or faith.
...so in light of the gaps, you stipulate a supernatural intervention. This is a logical fallacy called "God-of-the-Gaps", a specific example of an Argument from Ignorance.
And a literal creation or intelligent design requires far more faith then ToE.
Originally Posted by Meshach
So has ToE figured out when we fianlly were able to see and how long we groped around in the darkness?
If by "us", you mean the first animals to develop eyes, unicellular organisms have photo-sensitive cells. Evidence of complex eyes begins appearing in the fossil record around the time of the Cambrian Explosion, about 540 million years ago.
Originally Posted by Meshach
lookng for a mate? looking for food? Our eyes knew there was going to be things to see so thats why they developed?
Er... no. Eyes developed due to the pressure of natural selection. Up until that point there had been rudimentary photo-sensitive cells, but the development of eyes conferred a greater advantage then simple light detection.
Originally Posted by Meshach
Where did that info come from? Two eyes , how convinient. Just by perfect chance.
I would direct you to a biology textbook, and Google Scholar.
And it most certainly wasn't "perfect chance". It was driven by the pressure of natural selection. No offense, but you really don't know what on earth you are talking about if you think the evolution of such a biologically advantageous structure as the eye is based on chance.
The way things are then are becasue of perfect chance? Is that what you are saying?
No, that would be the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
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So believing in God means one has to support fallacious arguments for God, like God-of-the-gaps?
Had I been a christian, those kinds of arguments would be my prime target to debunk, as they not only make the christian side appear credulous, but because the gaps are continually filled in by science, i.e. the more gaps you put your God into, the more frequently he's has to stand aside due to progress and actual understanding.
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One time. FOR ALL THIS? Are you kidding me? The dice would of had to fall by chance multi millions of times on the number seven to give us EVREYTHING we have. WOW. Nice try though.
Exactly! This very moment is the combined outcome of a series of random events that culmulated in where we are right now.
But what you seem to be missing is that the die didn't always land on 7. The dice fell on snake-eyes again and again countless times before 7 came up and even many times after! But it all started with the first 7 that was rolled.
In the Beginning, there were but a single set of dice. Just how many times those dice were thrown will never be known but all it took was for it to land on 7 once. After that, for each 7 rolled, another pair were added to the pool.
And those dice are still being rolled even now. But keep in mind, 7 still rarely comes up in the grand scheme of the universe but with enough Dice constantly being rolled, we're bound to hit the jackpot given enough time.
And that's all you need to remember about the universe.
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I've been to Wonderland once too often...... one can no longer tell the difference betwix me and the Hatter!
Stop saying God-of-the-gaps everyone. I meant sort of the way things are are the way they are because, at the very least - by guided process, God caused them to be so. Personally, I don't believe that God created a single cell and then went on a long holiday or something, and when he came back the cell had suprisingly evolved, all by itself. That's a "God-of-the-WhoopsShouldHaveKeptAnEyeOnThat" fallacy, which - believing in an omnipresent, omnipotent God - I cannot believe in.
We'll stop saying it if creationists stop doing it.
Originally Posted by catzrfluffy
I meant sort of the way things are are the way they are because, at the very least - by guided process, God caused them to be so. Personally, I don't believe that God created a single cell and then went on a long holiday or something, and when he came back the cell had suprisingly evolved, all by itself. That's a "God-of-the-WhoopsShouldHaveKeptAnEyeOnThat" fallacy, which - believing in an omnipresent, omnipotent God - I cannot believe in.
That would be intelligent design, which is completely unproven, and has no evidence....
Yes ToE explains all this nicely. Descent with modification by means of natural/sexual selection.
"Perfect chance" had absolutely nothing to do with it. Life only had to evolve just once. That's it, once. The antrhopic principle is like a puddle saying look how perfect this hole is that holds us.
Well then its obvious then. Natural selection is your god . Nothing guiding it or telling it or directing it. Its doing ALL THIS on its own. No intelligence behind it at all. just random happenings. Chance has to be in there somewhere. Lots and big time chance. Air to breath, lungs to breath with, brain to think and do. Eyes to see. Sun strategically placed. Moon, very important. Water, totally necessary. Heart to pump that blood through many miles of veins. Reproduction system, respiratory system, muscular system, skeletal system, nervous system. Food for the stomach and the stomach for food. Take just one of these things I listed away and see how we would do. Now according to the theory we started out as a single cell. SO all these things just came along over time due to natural selection.Lol, and people scoff at the idea that God did it?
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