Definition of "design"?

Whats the alternative?
The sun by perfect chance is the right distance from the earth.

The earth by perfect chance is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The moon by perfect chance is the right distance from the earth for its gravitational pull.
By perfect chance the moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.

By perfect chance we have water which is colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

By perfect chance water has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

By perfect chance water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

By perfect chance water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

By perfect chance water has a unique surface tension.

Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity

By perfect chance water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

By perfect chance ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans.

But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

By perfect chance the human brain simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information.

Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

There are many more "by perfect chance" items I found, but I will close with a verse.

This is known as the "anthropic principle," and it is only creationists who seemed to be fooled by it. There are billions (yes, that's 000000000 'zeros') of galaxies, with trillions (yes, that's 000000000000 'zeros') of planets.

But we digress, I am asking ID/creationists to give their working definition of "design."

Yeah, whats your point? Hooray for logical fallacy! Ugh. Erm. merely emphasizes the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. Emphasis mine. You have no IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Ugh. There are multiple theories, but none are simplistic as this. Ugh, no. yes.... so?

Wait a minute, for a theory that supposedly looks for evidence, how do you know?

Writing a meaningful sentence or a functional computer program.
Loading a die to produce biased, often advantageous, outcomes.
The creation of a complex object such as a statue, or a stone arrow-head, or a computer, or a pocket knife.
If something has been designed by an intelligent unknown designer, we, as beings limited in knowledge, might not understand the way it is as it is, but it has been designed that way for a reason.

He didn't mention any theory at all. He mentioned that the principle Creationists and ID proponents use is silly considering the sheer number of planets and stars in the universe.

Hooray, so: "I don't know, but the answer must be 'goddidit'"

You are aware that this is a logical fallacy. Its called "God of the Gaps".

There are many more "by perfect chance" items I found, but I will close with a verse.

Or instead of "perfect chance", life (including humans) evolved because of the way things are, not in spite of them. When you understand that, you'll understand why your argument doesn't work.

Yeah, whats your point? Its improbably therefore evidence of supernatural intervention? Hooray for logical fallacy!



See the above response.



You have proof that they WOULD stagnate, or that Earth would be sterile in the presence of high tides?



Ugh. All H2O has the same chemical properties, and its an insanely common molecule. Please take a chemistry class.



Erm. Once again, please take a chemistry class. You make an incredibly basic concept of binding energy and phase change sound mystical, when its really just fundamental properties and covalent bonding and electronegativity.



See above. And also take a biology class. And the fact that you think water is a "universal" solvent merely emphasizes the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.



Emphasis mine. You have no IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. H20 is a polar molecule.



Based on its electronegativity. Because of the polarity of the H-O bond, the electrons are not equally shared. This forms a 104.5 degree angle in the H-0 bonds, SP3 hybridization of the orbitals etc etc. The high polarity of the molecule means that in liquid the degree of the hydrogen bonding on the slightly negative oxygen to the slightly positive hydrogen is considerable, leading liquid H2O to assume a crystalline structure which requires additional energy to disrupt, hence the increased energy requirements for phase change, and the high surface tension.




Ugh. There are multiple theories, but none are simplistic as this.




Ugh, no. this happens because H2O is a highly polar molecule, has a crystalline structure in liquid state, which makes the liquid less dense then the solid, therefore solid H2O floats on liquid H2O.



Lol, as opposed to being where?



yes.... so?



Because it contains around 100 billion neurons.



Yes. Its pretty awesome. Unfortunately saying that this is somehow logical proof of a creator or designer is the God-of-the-Gaps fallacy.



The fundemental laws of physics are not the product of chance.

The way things are then are becasue of perfect chance? Is that what you are saying?

This is known as the "anthropic principle," and it is only creationists who seemed to be fooled by it. There are billions (yes, that's 000000000 'zeros') of galaxies, with trillions (yes, that's 000000000000 'zeros') of planets. Given these odds, is it possible that just once in the universe conditions were present as to allow life to evolve?

BTW, humans can only see colors in the visible spectrum, and ToE easily explains how the eye evolved. Fascinating really. You should check it out sometime.

But we digress, I am asking ID/creationists to give their working definition of "design."