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Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Not the law itself, but the teaching that it has always been in effect is the heresy.
Right! And you're condemantion of us is SOOOO Important!
Food for Thought; Heresy isn't Bad when it's true! Better to be a Hereatic then a Fool.
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That would be consistent with the polytheistic myths that the ancient Hebrew faith decended from. The separation of chaos from order, void from form, water from earth, good from evil, etc, were popular themes. This is seen in other parts of genesis as well, when god separates the waters above from the waters below to create the sky.
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They were translating the AV1560 Geneva Bible --- the AV1611's predecessor.
AV1611 Preface:
There are infinite arguments of this right Christian and religious affection in Your Majesty; but none is more forcible to declare it to others than the vehement and perpetuated desire of accomplishing and publishing of this work, which now, with all humility, we present unto Your Majesty. For when Your Highness had once, out of deep judgment, apprehended how convenient it was, that, out of the Original sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own and other foreign languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue; Your Majesty did never desist to urge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the Work might be hastened, and that the business might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might justly require.
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That is pretty sensationalist. The conclusion that there is no ex-nihilo creation in Genesis is not new at all.
You can read Gen 1:1 when translated as an independent clause ("In the beginning God created ...") as a summary statement, almost regardless of how exactly you render the verb 'bara.' Then there is an alternative way to translate Gen 1:1, namely as a dependent clause; dependent on either Gen 1:2 or 1:3. "When God began to create ... " or sililar it would read then in English. See NRSV of Young's Literal for examples.
In either case, both, reading Gen 1:1 as a summary statement or as a dependent clause, mean that what described in Gen 1:1 is not something different from the creation that is described from Gen 1:3 onwards. I.e., [the creation of heaven and earth in Gen 1:1] = [saying "Let there be light", creating a dome, making the dry land appear, etc.]
Of course, this also means that the waters of the Deep are uncreated. (But _maybe_ they were seen on par with what we see as nothingness?)
One more thing ...
Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child
Well, that's not entirely true: he created somethings, but not (say), the Heavens and the Earth.
It would have to depend on what you mean exaclty by creating. If you mean shaping, forming, or ordering (and in Gen it does, IMO) then, yes, God did create the Heaven and the Earth. In the Gen 1:1-2:4 creation story at least.
It would have to depend on what you mean exaclty by creating. If you mean shaping, forming, or ordering (and in Gen it does, IMO) then, yes, God did create the Heaven and the Earth. In the Gen 1:1-2:4 creation story at least.
I also envisioned God poofing things into existence. Why would an all-powerful God do anything more labouring?
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