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This is unbiblical and unrealistic advice, it is also counter to human physiology. Your going to have to do better than that. The bible states that if you burn with passion you are to marry.

In God all things are possible..therefore nothing is unrealistic for God to accomplish. That also means that it is possible to overcome this without sinning.
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If that is not how we are designed then its not how we are designed, just becasue Paul did that does not mean thats what the rest of us are to do, the bible even states that if you burn with passion you are to marry. I still disagree with your premiss, I do not think a wife has the privilage to have a husband if she can not perform basic marital duties and she has defrauded him.
No, it's not right for the wife to withhold sex from her husband, unless, as stated in the Bible, it's mutually agreed upon and done so that more focus can be put towards God. HOWEVER, he is already married. And she is withholding affection. It's a nasty situation to be in, but just because the wife is doing something wrong, doesn't mean the husband has the go-ahead from God to do something else wrong, just because it's easier than the right thing.
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The only things I know to suggest are prayer and Christian counseling for help on how to deal with the emotions of not having one's needs met in a marriage..I'm not a professional in this area...I just know that, just because someone doesn't know what the right thing to do is, it doesn't make the wrong thing justified or acceptable in God's eyes.
You see thats the problem, you want to tell people what to do but offer no alternative practical solution. This is the same issue the church has, you are trying to write it off with the same tired arguement of pray about it and go to couseling and thoes things dont always work. Folding your arms and saying well I guess you will be a enuch then does not cut it with people and you will destroy relationships.
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I disagree, there are couples where this problem persists until one of them dies, that is a very sad state of existance and not at all what God expects. Either you are a enunch or your not. This advice still goes no where and the bible says in 1 cor 7 you will stumble as this is not how God has designed 99% of males.
Yes, some marriages, many in fact, are not happy because of situations like this. And no, this is not what God wants for us in marriage. God only wants good for us. But God knows that we live in a world with bad things in it, so actually, he does expect us to come across painful circumstances, including in our marriage.

Men (and women) do not stumble because God created us a certain way. We are created in the image of God; He didn't screw up in us. We stumble because Satan throws temptation at us and we give in. God says that yes, we will sin, because we aren't perfect,. and sexual sins tend to be hard to resist for many.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it comes across as you're trying to justify lustful actions/thoughts toward women that are not his wife. Sin is sin is sin, no matter what leads to it. There is absolutely NO justification for sin, there is NEVER a circumstance in which sin is "OK" or acceptable in God's eyes.
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You see thats the problem, you want to tell people what to do but offer no alternative practical solution. This is the same issue the church has, you are trying to write it off with the same tired arguement of pray about it and go to couseling and thoes things dont always work. Folding your arms and saying well I guess you will be a enuch then does not cut it with people and you will destroy relationships.
I did offer practical solutions; prayer and counseling. Please don't accuse me or assume anything about me. My husband and I struggle hugely because of his porn addiction and high sex drive, and my total lack of sex drive. However, I know my limitations in expertise, and therefore, I can admit that I don't know all the answers. Which is why I recommend for him to seek help from someone who CAN help.

I don't know how to fix the situation. But I do know that doing something sinful isn't what God wants, just because "nothing has worked yet." And prayer always works. Maybe not in the timing we want, or in the way we want. But Jesus promises us, seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive. I'm not trying to write this off at all. Sex is crucial in marriage, and I can't imagine how unloved he must feel. But sin is never the answer.

Also, I'm not telling him what to do..I'm pointing out what GOD told him to do/not do. If you don't agree with it, maybe go to Him about and argue your case With the creator.

And for the record, I never said anything about being a eunuch.
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Yes, some marriages, many in fact, are not happy because of situations like this. And no, this is not what God wants for us in marriage. God only wants good for us. But God knows that we live in a world with bad things in it, so actually, he does expect us to come across painful circumstances, including in our marriage.

Men (and women) do not stumble because God created us a certain way. We are created in the image of God; He didn't screw up in us. We stumble because Satan throws temptation at us and we give in. God says that yes, we will sin, because we aren't perfect,. and sexual sins tend to be hard to resist for many.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it comes across as you're trying to justify lustful actions/thoughts toward women that are not his wife. Sin is sin is sin, no matter what leads to it. There is absolutely NO justification for sin, there is NEVER a circumstance in which sin is "OK" or acceptable in God's eyes.
I dont think its a matter of God screwing up its a matter of the church screwing up in its inturpretation/context of NT scripture regarding divorce and remariage. God does not call us to a life time with a partner who defrauds us and I dont beleive thats what he meant in mathew when the pharisies were heckling him. Never the less this concept creates a divided chruch, one where thoes with happy marriages fold their arms and point the finger at thoes in unhappy marriages that are getting out (divorce)....isent that kind of what the pharisies did?
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Originally Posted by svl3p View Post
I did offer practical solutions; prayer and counseling. Please don't accuse me or assume anything about me. My husband and I struggle hugely because of his porn addiction and high sex drive, and my total lack of sex drive. However, I know my limitations in expertise, and therefore, I can admit that I don't know all the answers. Which is why I recommend for him to seek help from someone who CAN help.

I don't know how to fix the situation. But I do know that doing something sinful isn't what God wants, just because "nothing has worked yet." And prayer always works. Maybe not in the timing we want, or in the way we want. But Jesus promises us, seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive. I'm not trying to write this off at all. Sex is crucial in marriage, and I can't imagine how unloved he must feel. But sin is never the answer.

Also, I'm not telling him what to do..I'm pointing out what GOD told him to do/not do. If you don't agree with it, maybe go to Him about and argue your case With the creator.

And for the record, I never said anything about being a eunuch.
I feel very sorry for your husband, the sex is more important than you could imagine, dont let this go until he decides he wants out, im sure he already wants out and is there purely because of the guilt trips the chruch and you put on him or the fear of child support and loosing half his assets, he probably feels extremely trapped and scared right now and I would be very surprised if he wants anything to do with you because of the situation he is in and you will have to answer to God for what you are putting him through, I dont know what becomes of ones salvation if you are engaging in unrepentant sin (which is what you are doing), that is probably a discussion for another thread. You never said anything about being a eunuch but thats the only conclusion if one were to follow your logic, and that is not acceptable to most men.

The prospects of child support alone are probably enough to keep him from divorcing you but it would not suprise me if he emotionally withdrew from you and the church and prayed to be taken out of this world early and after time may start making choices to expedite that process or may wait until your last kid is 18 to serve you with papers (I know a couple that that happened to and he did it on his daughers 18th birthday and not a day later, so that is a very real possibility) or he may just take his chances and divorce you now in the hopes that he can find a woman that deserves the security of marriage (ie does not defraud her husband in any way shape or form and gives him what ever whenever). You are playing with fire.

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I dont think its a matter of God screwing up its a matter of the church screwing up in its inturpretation/context of NT scripture regarding divorce and remariage. God does not call us to a life time with a partner who defrauds us and I dont beleive thats what he meant in mathew when the pharisies were heckling him. Never the less this concept creates a divided chruch, one where thoes with happy marriages fold their arms and point the finger at thoes in unhappy marriages that are getting out (divorce)....isent that kind of what the pharisies did?
It is unfortunate but true that many churches aren't as loving or non-judgemental as Jesus calls us to be. But that really isn't relevant to the situation here.

I don't really think there is any room for interpretation regarding divorce in the Bible. It says it pretty clearly; the only acceptable reasons for divorce are in the case of adultery, or if an unbelieving spouse leaves a believing spouse, then to let the unbeliever go.

I don't know how long AutumnLeaf has been struggling...but since he's still alive, it hasn't been a "lifetime with a partner who defrauds", and since neither of us can see the future, we can't assume that this will be the case. We don't know what the future holds, and we don't know God's timing.

Yes, God wants us to be in a loving, fulfilling marriage. But because we live in a world full of sin and evil, He knows that this is often not the case.

But a person who is in a difficult marriage is still bound by the same law as those in a happy marriage; to STAY married except for in cases of acceptable reasons for divorce that I mentioned above.

God will never allow us to be burdened with more than we can handle; HOWEVER, he does tell us that we need to depend on Him to get us through the hard times because we can't do it ALONE.

As for this..I've said my bit. You will believe what you will, and do what you will.

But there is NEVER an acceptable excuse or reason for sin, no matter what temptations, difficult situations, or evil is thrown at us. No matter what the circumstance, sin is ALWAYS wrong.

We will often find ourselves in situations that God doesn't want in our lives, but we are still called to uphold God's word in our lives and actions.

I'm done with this. AutumnLeaf, I pray that God will help you to do what is right, and that He will heal your marriage in His time. Remember, that ALL things are possible; your marriage is not hopeless, and you are NOT doomed to be stuck in a difficult marriage forever.

But I don't see a point to going back and forth between whether sin (in this case, lust towards non-spousal women) is justified, because the Bible is very clear about it. Lust is never ok, therefore it is always sin. And sin is always wrong. Any other reasonings are lies that Satan is trying to use to separate you from God.
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I feel very sorry for your husband, the sex is more important than you could imagine, dont let this go until he decides he wants out, im sure he already wants out and is there purely because of the guilt trips the chruch and you put on him or the fear of child support and loosing half his assets, he probably feels extremely trapped and scared right now and I would be very surprised if he wants anything to do with you because of the situation he is in and you will have to answer to God for what you are putting him through, I dont know what becomes of ones salvation if you are engaging in unrepentant sin (which is what you are doing), that is probably a discussion for another thread. You never said anything about being a eunuch but thats the only conclusion if one were to follow your logic, and that is not acceptable to most men.

The prospects of child support alone are probably enough to keep him from divorcing you but it would not suprise me if he emotionally withdrew from you and the church and prayed to be taken out of this world early and after time may start making choices to expedite that process or may wait until your last kid is 18 to serve you with papers (I know a couple that that happened to and he did it on his daughers 18th birthday and not a day later, so that is a very real possibility) or he may just take his chances and divorce you now in the hopes that he can find a woman that deserves the security of marriage (ie does not defraud her husband in any way shape or form and gives him what ever whenever). You are playing with fire.

Why are you sorry for my husband? I said we have different levels of sex drives; I didn't say that I denied him. Again, Please don't accuse me or make assumptions about me. MY husband is with me because he loves me, not out of duty. I don't knwo what you're talking about unrepentent sin i my life. I am not playing with fire at all. I am secure in my marriage. MY husband loves me and I love him. We know that God has great things in store for our marriage, and that our trials are not for nothing. We are learning and growing in Christ because of our struggles. We struggle with finding a balance regarding sex but we try our best to meet each others needs in a "give not take" fashion.

This sounds VERY much like, you don't agree with my previous answers so you are trying your best to make me feel as horrible about myself and my marriage and life as is possible, which are all lies from the devil, and have no basis in truth. YOu don't know my life or my marriage. You are making assumptions with the intention of trying to hurt me, beacuse you don't agree with me, which is a very childish action.But since I know that what you say is not true, you have totally failed in making me feel insecure with my marriage, and have actually made me MORE secure in my marriage by having me profess this. So thank you

God is in control of our marriage, and therefore I know that my husband and I will be happy and fulfilled together, no matter what trials we face.
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isent that kind of what the pharisies did?

No.
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