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Originally Posted by racer View Post
I'm not arguing that Obama is the anti-Christ, because we simply won't know until the signs happened as you noted above.
There is no Biblical basis for separating any part of the False Christ's reign from the lying wonders.


His identity will not be revealed until the restrainer is removed from the earth.
There is no Biblical basis for syaing the restrainer is removed "from the earth". Just that he is removed.

That doesn't mean that whoever the anti-Christ isn't now alive existing/living somewhere in the worl.
He's restrained in heaven.
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Originally Posted by thecountrydoc View Post
It is truly amazing how threads on these boards get completely off topic and derailed. Just to refresh everyone's memory here is the OP of this thread posted by Achilles6129.Has everyone refreshed their memory? I hope so.

It is often easier to confirm or deny questions ask, or assumptions and statements made, by actualy finding out what can, or can not, be true. That being said let's find out something about the antichrist according to the Bible not by personal opinion. Here are some clues to the identy of the antichrist.


Who is the Antichrist?
Clue #1:
The last part of Revelation 13:2 informs us, The dragon here represents pagan Rome. Revelation 12:9 tells us the dragon is a symbol of Satan, but Satan works through human agencies. In Revelation 12 the dragon tried to destroy Jesus through pagan Rome. A Roman official, Herod, tried to kill baby Jesus (Matthew 2). A Roman governor Pilate condemned Jesus. A Roman executioner crucified Him. A Roman emblem sealed Jesus’ tomb. A Roman guard watched that tomb. So the dragon represents Satan working through pagan Rome. But PAGAN Rome became PAPAL Rome, for when Emperor Constantine moved his headquarters to Constantinople, he left a power vacuum filled by the pontiff of Rome. Prominent historian Arthur P. Stanley describes the shift from a political power to a religious hierarchy: Thomas Hobbes could truly say that the Papacy was

Clue #2:
This power in Revelation 13 would become a worldwide religious power, not a political one. Revelation 13:8 reads, All who dwell on earth will worship him. So it’s a UNIVERSAL power that initiates WORSHIP. And, of course, the Papacy is a universal religious power that transcends geographic boundaries. This is our second clue.

Clue #3:
Revelation 13:5 says the beast Christ Himself was twice accused of blasphemy, once in Luke 5:20-21 because He claimed the power to forgive sins, and again in John 10:30-33, because He claimed to be God. Jesus wasn’t guilty of blasphemy because He really was God, and He really could forgive sins! For a mere man to claim such things is indeed blasphemous.

Clue #4:
Revelation 13:7 says, speaking of the beast: Persecution! A conservative estimate puts those Christians martyred by the state church during the Dark Ages at over 50 million. In the Catholic Inquisition, people were tortured and burned alive at the stake. Whole families or communities were wiped out for no other crime than "heresy." They dared to believe something other than what the church taught. Interestingly enough, the Roman Church ADMITS to the persecution it inflicted.

Clue #5:
Revelation 13:5 says, The Bible reckons 30 days to a month. (Genesis 7:11, 24; 8:34 shows a five-month period stretched 150 days: thirty days to a month.) And a DAY stands for a YEAR in Bible prophecy. Ezekiel 4:6. So 42 months x 30 days = 1260 prophetic days, or 1260 actual years. History books show that A.D. 538 was an important date for the papacy. In that year the decree of Justinian, the Emperor, went into effect making the bishop of Rome head of all the churches. Thus A.D. 538 marked the beginning of papal supremacy. Now adding 1260 years to A.D. 538 we come to the year 1798. In that year Papal power was indeed seriously wounded. In 1798 Napoleon's Army took the pope captive and he later died in exile. Prophecy and history agree perfectly the 1260 years fit precisely! But had Napoleon consulted Scripture, he’d have realized that the papacy was not finished, only wounded. Revelation 13:3 tells us that "deadly wound" would be "healed." And all the world would wonder and follow the beast in the last days.

Clue #6:
Revelation 13:18 challenges us to In the Bible the number SEVEN represents perfection, completeness. On the other hand, the number SIX represents man and human error, imperfection. So a triple six represents something very wrong! Revelation 13:17-18 says quite plainly that "the number of the beast ... is the number of a MAN." More specifically, it’s "the number of his NAME." Still more to the point, a footnote in the Douay Version of the Catholic Bible says: Individual popes have had many different names, but the official title, the umbrella title that covers them all, the title that’s used in coronation ceremonies of each new pope, is VICARIUS FILII DEI, which is Latin for "Vicar of the Son of God." Since this is a Roman title, we’d expect to use Roman numerals to calculate it and it does calculate to 666!

Clue #7:
Revelation 13:16-17 says the beast forces all The mark of the beast is a symbol of REBELLION against God, of DISLOYALTY to God’s government. Those allied with the beast receive this mark. But another group receive a different mark. Revelation 7:2-3 says They’re God’s faithful people, the remnant. Revelation 14:12 calls them The seal of God is contained in His law. Isaiah 8:16 says, "SEAL the LAW among my disciples."

Sorry folks my computer is acting up. I will be back with a summary of these clues just as soon as I can get the problem corrected.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc
Your rant is just a tad off topic in case you don't realize that. Chastizing others for being off-topic isn't exactly on-topic, and your statements stating who the anti-Christ will be doesn't really address the OP which is stating that "Obama" is absolutely not the anti-Christ. Or did I miss you making a statement agreeing or disagreeing with the OP?
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Vladimir putin h e are antichrist.
Moscow is the great whore who sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas).
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Originally Posted by Zadok7000 View Post
There is no Biblical basis for separating any part of the False Christ's reign from the lying wonders.
Please explain?
There is no Biblical basis for syaing the restrainer is removed "from the earth". Just that he is removed.

So where would the restrainer be removed from or to?
He's restrained in heaven.
And, your "biblical" basis is what exactly?
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The restrainer in Daniel 12, is Michael
The restrainer in Rev 12 is also Michael

When Michael is removed from restraining Satan in heaven,
meaning that Satan will be removed from heaven, where Michael is currently against him.
he will be cast down here to earth for a short season,
and woe to us...

Satan the supernatural fallen angel,
is coming first, before Christ,
and he will play act Jesus returned...


instead of (anti) Christ.

no man of flesh is the antiChrist,
that is why Obama cannot be the antiChrist.
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Originally Posted by racer View Post
Please explain?
That there is no Biblical basis for separating any part of the False Christ's reign from the lying wonders? You can't prove a negative. All you have to do is read where he is mentioned and those lying wonders are there. Dan., Matt. 24, Mark 13, 2Thes. 2, Rev. 13, etc. As Paul says, shewing himself that he is God. There is never a time where he is not "showing" it.

So where would the restrainer be removed from or to?
Stop restraining/withholding him. Simple.

And, your "biblical" basis is what exactly?
Withhold = restrain. This has been Michael's job for Millennia.

Dan. 10:21 - there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Dan. 21:1 - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time
Rev. 12:7-9 - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him...Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed...
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(And neither is any other current world leader, for that matter)

Apparently some people on this forum believe that Barack Obama *might* be the antichrist. This interpretation is simply impossible. This thread is dedicated to them.

"8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," 2 Th. 2:8-9

Was Barack Obama's COMING on the world scene with power, signs, and lying wonders?

Has there been any current world leader whose COMING on the world scene has been with power, signs and lying wonders?

See my thread on this forum, The Antichrist: An Alien? for a more reasonable explanation of these verses.
hahahaha, this cracks me up. Of course Obama cannot be the anti christ, because he is not and alien. ROFL
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Sorry Racer,

I will accept a thrashing. In my haste I did not state that by showing a correct identity for the antichrist it would automaticly eliminate any other identy i.e. Obama. I should have carried out my rational just as is necessary in a court of law.

Am I now back on topic?

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That there is no Biblical basis for separating any part of the False Christ's reign from the lying wonders? You can't prove a negative. All you have to do is read where he is mentioned and those lying wonders are there. Dan., Matt. 24, Mark 13, 2Thes. 2, Rev. 13, etc. As Paul says, shewing himself that he is God. There is never a time where he is not "showing" it.



Stop restraining/withholding him. Simple.



Withhold = restrain. This has been Michael's job for Millennia.

Dan. 10:21 - there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Dan. 21:1 - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time
Rev. 12:7-9 - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him...Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed...
amen

the Greek term for the word "withhold" means to literally restrain, hold, or grab onto... so this restrainer is in the same realm as the Son of Perdition is... the church is not in the same realm.

this restrainer is also described as two different genders:
gender neutral: "And now ye know what withholdeth"
gender masculine: "only he who now letteth will let"

the church is neither gender masculine or gender neutral: (Ephesians 5:25-32)
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Absolute Proof Obama is NOT the Antichrist
Of course He's not the antichrist...we all know that. He's just the trigger to start the 3 1/2 year Tribulation.
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