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6th October 2009, 12:22 PM
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Reps: 428,167,864,585,052 (power: 428,167,864,588) | | | Homosexuality??? Hi all, there a lot of questions about this subject that are just confusing. For one how come there is so many people that have homosexual tendencies? Is this a Psychological things? How come married men go behind their wifes's back and have sex with the same sex and portray to be a family man? How are these people going to be judge before God specially the ones that go to church - I wonder how this effect them when it comes to the bible's principle ? (the people that opt to be with the same sex I mean) I know some guys that are gay and go to church, but still believe that its okay to be with each other. I know this guy that works with me that told me that God created us all equal and the "wife and husband" thing is a Men made rule. I used to be okay with the same sex relationship thing, but now that im going to church and reading the bible - I don't feel the same way. I get angry when "they " say those things- I get mad when this guy I know tells me that he "hooks" up with married men all the time and their girlfriend/wife have no idea... this is disguisting. | 
7th October 2009, 02:49 AM
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That doesn't mean you can't be forgiven for it of course. But, if you don't, you will be judged as such.
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7th October 2009, 04:12 AM
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Reps: 294,965,212,214,612,864 (power: 294,965,212,214,623) | | Originally Posted by Trinity78 this is disguisting. 
What is it you actually find disgusting?
Is it the homosexuality or is it the betray of trust?
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7th October 2009, 05:19 AM
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Reps: 397,862,931,406,143 (power: 397,862,931,409) | | | For all have fallen short, Sin is sin, the power of sin is also deceptive. If we are doing anything that hurts others we commit sin and must repent,(turn away from our sin and our old life) I guess what I am saying is that every man has a tendency to commit sin.
It doesn't matter what the sin is whether homosexuality or fornication, adultury, lusting after another in our minds is as bad as doing the act according to Jesus. So no one is without excuse, we all fall short, If we are born again and the spirit of Jesus lives in us we will not want to do the same things we have done in the past. No excuses in God's eyes. Jesus did die for all the sins of the world. Godly sorrow worketh repentance, without Godly sorrow we only have worldly sorrow that works death.
2Cr 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
2Cr 7:11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.
Men will always try to make excuses, we were all born with the power of sin working in our lives and the further we walk in darkness the darker it gets, So turn to the light of God while there is still time.
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7th October 2009, 01:15 PM
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Reps: 58,745,583,346 (power: 58,745,586) | | Originally Posted by Trinity78 Hi all, there a lot of questions about this subject that are just confusing. For one how come there is so many people that have homosexual tendencies? Is this a Psychological things? How come married men go behind their wifes's back and have sex with the same sex and portray to be a family man? How are these people going to be judge before God specially the ones that go to church - I wonder how this effect them when it comes to the bible's principle ? (the people that opt to be with the same sex I mean) I know some guys that are gay and go to church, but still believe that its okay to be with each other. I know this guy that works with me that told me that God created us all equal and the "wife and husband" thing is a Men made rule. I used to be okay with the same sex relationship thing, but now that im going to church and reading the bible - I don't feel the same way. I get angry when "they " say those things- I get mad when this guy I know tells me that he "hooks" up with married men all the time and their girlfriend/wife have no idea... this is disguisting. 
homosexuality is definitely wrong. The bible says those who are homosexual will definitely not go to heaven. If guys go to church have truly lifted their needs of freedom before the Lord and prayed for it, they will be regenerated and given a new heart.
The devil uses new age culture to bombard men with this stuff. Homosexual tendencies is caused mostly by childhood experiences, what we been bought up with, but the root cause is fall of man and satan.
I get these from time to time, but i got a long term GF, i love her and i know i am not gay. Satan just places images in my head.
mostly, Satan use this tactic because it is very effective, some men like me get insecure and have sex or get hooked on porn(straight) to cancel the equation, so that we become sexually secure again. (however I am pure now)
other men are weaker and fall for this temptation.
it is a sickening thing, yes. It is an abomination in Gods eyes.
God first created man and woman, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. In the NT Paul strictly says that homosexuality is wrong, along with other major sins.
hope that helps
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8th October 2009, 03:55 AM
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You have brought up how men will betray a spouse by having affairs behind wives' backs, as though it is a different category. It is still unfaithfulness. And it puts her at risk for any diseases he carries.
The disease issue has proven to be very serious in this world, and there are millions of children growing up with no parents at all -- due to casual sex, multiple partners, and the spread of whatever they carried.
" Estimates suggest that as many as 100 million children worldwide are homeless or spend most of their time surviving on the streets (UNICEF)" The Impact of HIV/AIDS on Children, Families and Communities
Every year, 400,000 babies are born with HIV. WHO | Progress report on the fight against HIV/AIDS
It is painful to think that these statistics started with people's carnal desires to get some action. That is the crow's eye view.
The system that Moses presented protected a society in many ways. It was not just about God's opinion on what should be spiritual, but His foresight of how certain practices play out in the long term, within a society. Societal unsustainability.
There were rules that seemed silly short term, like rotating crops -- that now make sense, with not leaching the soil of nutrients for the food we depend on to keep us strong.
It isn't about hatred of people. As you said, it is disgusting to hook up with another person when you have made a lifetime commitment to the first. It isn't fair to anyone in that mix. | 
8th October 2009, 12:03 PM
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The Bible says to train up a child in the way they should go and they will not depart - the training that is going into our children now as young as kindergarden is directly against what the Bible tells us to do - that is why parent really need to be involved in what the children are being taught - there are no rights or wrongs being taught - the home training has a much harder job these days.
There is no excuse - the Bible is very clear - it is an abomination - you can paint it with any kind of brush you want - it still comes out as an abomination to God.
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8th October 2009, 08:59 PM
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8th October 2009, 11:00 PM
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Reps: 7,724,525,520 (power: 7,724,528) | | Straight from the Book NIV version used. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." There ya have it.
Shalom,
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9th October 2009, 03:11 AM
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We make choices.
We can have a tendency to crave Doritos. To squirm out of responsibility. To travel when we can't afford it. To sneak out of office parties and go have coffee. To wake up before everyone else. To like math and blank out with history.
Our lives and minds are full of tendencies and preferences. If we follow them all, we take on the natural consequences.
Self-restraint and discretion are valued in nearly all religions: Hinduism
There is only one fault in self-control. No second fault is noticeable in it. A person who has self-control is regarded by men as weak and imbecile.
The Mahabharata Santi Parva, Section CLX Buddhism - Life is suffering.
- All things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else.
- To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others.
- Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.
Siddhārtha Gautama Buddha Islam
Oh you who believe!
Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God,
even against yourselves...
for God can best protect both.
Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve,
and if you distort justice or decline to do justice,
verily God is well acquainted with all that you do.
Qur'an 4:135
So just because we feel an inclination to do something, or even feel our skills fit well with a certain field, many religious people put all their decisions through a sieve of prayer, reverence to God, foresight, wisdom, consideration of others, and realistic planning. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |