The bible condemns homosexuality- its not ok. And going behind a wifes back is adultry. Marriage between a man and a women is a godly thing-man made is the homosexual ordeal. Nowhere in the bible is this type of lifestyle ok with God.
I would keep my distance from people who call themselves christians and doing this stuff-if they don't live it then they arn't.
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Hi all, there a lot of questions about this subject that are just confusing. For one how come there is so many people that have homosexual tendencies? Is this a Psychological things? How come married men go behind their wifes's back and have sex with the same sex and portray to be a family man?
Romans 1:18-eoc will give you an almost disturbing picture of how this situation came to be.
Originally Posted by Trinity78
How are these people going to be judge before God specially the ones that go to church - I wonder how this effect them when it comes to the bible's principle ? (the people that opt to be with the same sex I mean)
It won't go well with people who pass off their sin as okay.
However, I'd like to point out also, Romans 2. I'm a subversive kind of guy, someone who left outside God's grace, my own way would probably be like Romans 1. However, simply declaring judgment on people (Rom 2:1-2) points accusations back at the judgmental.
God instituted a different way in Jesus Christ. It's a redemptive way. These questions of whether or not it's sin really don't accomplish much beyond smugness among sinners. We both have to realize, sin is still sin -- both homosexuality and judgmentalness just for the sake of judgment.
God revealed our sins to us for a particular reason. he sent us the Law for a reason. Y'can read about that in Romans 7:14-eoc; Paul alluded to its purpose in Romans 3:19-21, too.
Originally Posted by Trinity78
I know some guys that are gay and go to church, but still believe that its okay to be with each other.
Well, God's said it's not. I can explain some of the theological backflips people engage in to try to sustain this position, but it really comes down to that.
It's not gonna be easy, you realize. In my opinion gay culture has adopted many legitimate sensitivities of maleness, and the modern culture's macho attitude toward maleness has ripped male humanity from its moorings.
Originally Posted by Trinity78
I know this guy that works with me that told me that God created us all equal and the "wife and husband" thing is a Men made rule.
Uhm. A Christian? Jesus approved of marriage and condemned adultery in the strongest terms.
Originally Posted by Trinity78
I used to be okay with the same sex relationship thing, but now that im going to church and reading the bible - I don't feel the same way. I get angry when "they " say those things- I get mad when this guy I know tells me that he "hooks" up with married men all the time and their girlfriend/wife have no idea... this is disguisting.
Anger is often over the deception of such statements. You know how they've affected you, and you feel personally offended.
My Sister in Christ, you can help us out a whole lot by exploring those feelings and figuring out as well as you can, explain to us how those statements are damaging to you. The more we know about your old approach to things, how they were deceiving you in ways we're not really completely familiar with, the better we can approach others of our friends.
It may not be easy to tune down your emotions and thus be redemptive. I've the same kinds of outrage over situations I've personally encountered before. But it would help us out a lot to help unpack what we can expect when we're carrying Christ Jesus to our homosexual friends.
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Hi all, there a lot of questions about this subject that are just confusing. For one how come there is so many people that have homosexual tendencies? Is this a Psychological things? How come married men go behind their wifes's back and have sex with the same sex and portray to be a family man? How are these people going to be judge before God specially the ones that go to church - I wonder how this effect them when it comes to the bible's principle ? (the people that opt to be with the same sex I mean) I know some guys that are gay and go to church, but still believe that its okay to be with each other. I know this guy that works with me that told me that God created us all equal and the "wife and husband" thing is a Men made rule. I used to be okay with the same sex relationship thing, but now that im going to church and reading the bible - I don't feel the same way. I get angry when "they " say those things- I get mad when this guy I know tells me that he "hooks" up with married men all the time and their girlfriend/wife have no idea... this is disguisting.
In this you and I see it clearly that God is not "amused".
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
I hate when this passage is used in this way.
Is it not understood that this is being used to describe people before they were saved? Let's go down to verse 11:
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
What this does not say is that once we are saved, we're automatically going to stop committing the many things in that list of vices. Saying that "people who commit x have forfeited their salvation" is not the message of this passage. That is, in fact, advocating salvation by works, when it is by grace alone.
For once, I'd like to see someone shove this verse in the face of a group of people who have been divorced and remarried, and see what kind of reaction they will get.
Hi all, there a lot of questions about this subject that are just confusing. For one how come there is so many people that have homosexual tendencies? Is this a Psychological things? How come married men go behind their wifes's back and have sex with the same sex and portray to be a family man? How are these people going to be judge before God specially the ones that go to church - I wonder how this effect them when it comes to the bible's principle ? (the people that opt to be with the same sex I mean) I know some guys that are gay and go to church, but still believe that its okay to be with each other. I know this guy that works with me that told me that God created us all equal and the "wife and husband" thing is a Men made rule. I used to be okay with the same sex relationship thing, but now that im going to church and reading the bible - I don't feel the same way. I get angry when "they " say those things- I get mad when this guy I know tells me that he "hooks" up with married men all the time and their girlfriend/wife have no idea... this is disguisting.
I am one such person who 'goes to church' and 'has homosexual tendancies'. I don't believe the orientation itself is a sin, because there's not much I can do about that. But I can lead a celibate life that does not involve homosexual relationships and sex. I have also been going out with a girl since January.
As for whether or not it's psychological, I have no doubt that it is. I believe the causes are so deep-rooted, however, that one must learn to live with the temptations. There are some who might have their tendancies deminish, but I am not among those blessed people.
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Hi all, there a lot of questions about this subject that are just confusing. For one how come there is so many people that have homosexual tendencies? Is this a Psychological things? How come married men go behind their wifes's back and have sex with the same sex and portray to be a family man? How are these people going to be judge before God specially the ones that go to church - I wonder how this effect them when it comes to the bible's principle ? (the people that opt to be with the same sex I mean) I know some guys that are gay and go to church, but still believe that its okay to be with each other. I know this guy that works with me that told me that God created us all equal and the "wife and husband" thing is a Men made rule. I used to be okay with the same sex relationship thing, but now that im going to church and reading the bible - I don't feel the same way. I get angry when "they " say those things- I get mad when this guy I know tells me that he "hooks" up with married men all the time and their girlfriend/wife have no idea... this is disguisting.
Ok, first of all, a married man going and having sex sex with another man behind his wife's back is adultery and adultery is a sin. It is a grave sin. Second, it would be adultery just the same if he was going behind his wife's back to have sex with another woman. The sin is equally grave in both cases. Third, it is not a sin to be a homosexual or to have a homosexual relationship, even if sex is involved. You should try doing some research. Many Bible translations are not translated properly and there is a lot of information out there that suggests that the Bible is actually talking about homosexual temple prostitutes and rapists as an example.
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Is it not understood that this is being used to describe people before they were saved?
Yes. It's also addressing a congregation telling them not to be deceived, that such people have to be cleansed to enter the Kingdom of God.
Originally Posted by chrisnu
Let's go down to verse 11:
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
What this does not say is that once we are saved, we're automatically going to stop committing the many things in that list of vices. Saying that "people who commit x have forfeited their salvation" is not the message of this passage. That is, in fact, advocating salvation by works, when it is by grace alone.
Bingo. It's through confession and repentance -- change -- that the Spirit works this out of our lives. Not denial, not some gut-wrenching "just do it" humanity, but submissive spirituality before the God of the Universe.
Originally Posted by chrisnu
For once, I'd like to see someone shove this verse in the face of a group of people who have been divorced and remarried, and see what kind of reaction they will get.
I'd say it as well for those who abandon their families. There're plenty of other sinful actions on this list that're more characteristic of Christians, too.
Of those I know who have practiced adultery, they tend to have quite a resistance to the whole thought. Self-justification would be my assessment, much as I love them.
We are all wrong, some way, some how. I don't see a whit of Paul rejecting compassion on people who are sinful.
Originally Posted by jawsmetroid
I am one such person who 'goes to church' and 'has homosexual tendancies'. I don't believe the orientation itself is a sin, because there's not much I can do about that. But I can lead a celibate life that does not involve homosexual relationships and sex. I have also been going out with a girl since January.
I'm someone who probably for psychological conditioning has a radically different set of forces on me -- and not particularly commended either. Still, I'd love to make a few comments.
There is internal sinfulness in the very depths of our hearts that God is aware of, and wants to change. But let's face it pointblank: God can overcome whatever He wants to, in us. We don't have a lot of power outside the Spirit (!) to do anything good about this.
It's my sustained belief that not everything attributed to a feminine psychology is strictly feminine. Often such things are simply good society, good aesthetics, and a sensitivity to the humanity of people involved. Guys who can't see such things often aren't "more masculine", they're just less sociable, less aesthetic, or less humane.
People err on all facets of masculinity.
Originally Posted by jawsmetroid
As for whether or not it's psychological, I have no doubt that it is. I believe the causes are so deep-rooted, however, that one must learn to live with the temptations. There are some who might have their tendancies deminish, but I am not among those blessed people.
Yes, everyone is affected by our sinfulness and our dwelling among a sinful people. I've found humble people who recognize their sinful sides to be far more aware of human sin, and appreciate the insights they bring when we're crazy enough to think "holier than thou". We're not.
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To us, O LORD, belongs open shame, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against you.
I am one such person who 'goes to church' and 'has homosexual tendancies'. I don't believe the orientation itself is a sin, because there's not much I can do about that. But I can lead a celibate life that does not involve homosexual relationships and sex. I have also been going out with a girl since January.
As for whether or not it's psychological, I have no doubt that it is. I believe the causes are so deep-rooted, however, that one must learn to live with the temptations. There are some who might have their tendancies deminish, but I am not among those blessed people.
God will bless you with strength, wisdom and comfort for your stand in His Word. Your battle is not everyone's but your stand is a light shining for others who are suffering under the same trial. May you be an overcomer and can stand before God unashamed.
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We live in a world of sin, and a large number of people not only sin, but they like sinning, and not only that, but their eye's and ear's don't work. So Homosexuality, which is a sin, is common and accepted by anyone who accepts sin and love's it. I think anyone who tell's gay people they can enter heaven without first repenting of their homosexual lifestyle is doing a HUMONGOUS diservice to the gay person. They will NOT be able to enter heaven unless they repent and accept Christ. You CAN love them, but DON'T tell them they can enter heaven without repenting.
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