Here is where the faulty "Rapture" idea comes from:
"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;
And he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof." (Mat. 24:30-31) (YIT)
Faulty? Well, it is too bad that the apostle Paul did not have you around to straighten him out! Then he never would have written I Thessalonians 4:13-18. That passage pretty well defines what the rapture is, and really needs no comment, since it is crystal clear. Incidentally, your reference to Matt 24:30-31 is irrelevant, since the rapture is never mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, or anywhere, in fact, in the synoptic gospels. Even passages like Matt 24:40-41 are not referring to the rapture.
Faulty? Well, it is too bad that the apostle Paul did not have you around to straighten him out! Then he never would have written I Thessalonians 4:13-18. That passage pretty well defines what the rapture is, and really needs no comment, since it is crystal clear. Incidentally, your reference to Matt 24:30-31 is irrelevant, since the rapture is never mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, or anywhere, in fact, in the synoptic gospels. Even passages like Matt 24:40-41 are not referring to the rapture.
So you agree that Jesus never mentioned a rapture, either in the Gospels, or in the Revelation, given directly to us by Jesus?
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Do any of you know the actual origin of 'Futurism', 'Preterism', and the 'Rapture'?
Acts6:5 gave a fairly accurate answer with:
"The origin of Futurism and Preterism can be found in the writings of Early Church Fathers within the first four centuries after Christ. Later theologians and commentators expanded on those earlier views, developing them into what we have today; but the origin of both views is quite ancient."
Thank you Acts6:5. However there is much more to the story. I don't have the time right now but I'll come back a bit later with futher comment.
For the rest of posters, may I suggest that you need to study a bit deeper fot the correct timelines given in scripture. It would also be helpful to understand that for every text that has been quoted as confirming the 'rapture' there are more text that directly reject the 'rapture' as an additional event to the second coming of Christ.
Regarding the rapture not being in the Olivet Discourse, that is incorrect. For the rapture is the "gathering together" of the church at the second coming of Jesus (2 Thessalonians 2:1), and the "gathering together" of the church at the second coming of Jesus is in Matthew 24:30-31 and Mark 13:26-27.
Regarding Matthew 24:40-41 not referring to the rapture, that is correct. For those "taken" at the second coming of Jesus are the unsaved who will be killed and their bodies taken where the birds will eat their corpses (Luke 17:36-37, Matthew 24:28, Revelation 19:21, Job 39:27,30). And those "left" at the second coming of Jesus (Matthew 24:40) are the unsaved who will be left alive and ruled with a rod of iron by Jesus and the church during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2).
Oh, this will be easy! The "rapture" is a false and heretical doctrine invented by the Dispensationalists. Dispensationalism is a heresy. You can learn more about the heretical doctrine of the "rapture" by going here:
"There is one true Church, the really ancient Church into which are enrolled those who are righteous according to God's ordinance.... In essence, in idea, in origin, in preeminence we say that the ancient Catholic Church is the only Church." - Clement of Alexandria, Stromata (Before 215 AD)
"The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child" (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).
Oh, this will be easy! The "rapture" is a false and heretical doctrine invented by the Dispensationalists. Dispensationalism is a heresy. You can learn more about the heretical doctrine of the "rapture" by going here:
Actually, the rapture is a true doctrine. See my reply to your other thread where you claim that there is no such thing as the rapture.
It seems many are not interisted in being caught up to Christ, they seem to be more interisted in their live here in this world, rather than with christ in Heaven.
The glorious 1000 year reign of the Church is on earth. It is coming and soon, because the Euphrates has already dried up. It was dried up on 9/11 when the first shot of the "Battle of that great day of the Lord" was fired. Those Christians who have endured to the end will soon rule with Jesus and the martyrs for 1000 years.
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The glorious 1000 year reign of the Church is on earth. It is coming and soon, because the Euphrates has already dried up. It was dried up on 9/11 when the first shot of the "Battle of that great day of the Lord" was fired. Those Christians who have endured to the end will soon rule with Jesus and the martyrs for 1000 years.
KEWL!!!
Matt 10:22 And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me. The one yet enduring into a-finish/teloV <5056>,this one shall be being saved [Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]
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Matt 10:22 And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me. The one yet enduring into a-finish/teloV <5056>,this one shall be being saved [Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]
KEWL???
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