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7th October 2009, 01:58 AM
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Reps: 7,981,683,335,936 (power: 7,981,683,339) | | Originally Posted by interpreter  Here is where the faulty "Rapture" idea comes from:
"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;
And he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof." (Mat. 24:30-31) (YIT)
Faulty? Well, it is too bad that the apostle Paul did not have you around to straighten him out! Then he never would have written I Thessalonians 4:13-18. That passage pretty well defines what the rapture is, and really needs no comment, since it is crystal clear. Incidentally, your reference to Matt 24:30-31 is irrelevant, since the rapture is never mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, or anywhere, in fact, in the synoptic gospels. Even passages like Matt 24:40-41 are not referring to the rapture.  |
7th October 2009, 02:18 PM
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Reps: 242,185,112,465,767,904 (power: 242,185,112,465,778) | | Originally Posted by HarrisonS Faulty? Well, it is too bad that the apostle Paul did not have you around to straighten him out! Then he never would have written I Thessalonians 4:13-18. That passage pretty well defines what the rapture is, and really needs no comment, since it is crystal clear. Incidentally, your reference to Matt 24:30-31 is irrelevant, since the rapture is never mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, or anywhere, in fact, in the synoptic gospels. Even passages like Matt 24:40-41 are not referring to the rapture.
So you agree that Jesus never mentioned a rapture, either in the Gospels, or in the Revelation, given directly to us by Jesus?
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Hello to all, My last post:
Do any of you know the actual origin of 'Futurism', 'Preterism', and the 'Rapture'? Acts6:5 gave a fairly accurate answer with: "The origin of Futurism and Preterism can be found in the writings of Early Church Fathers within the first four centuries after Christ. Later theologians and commentators expanded on those earlier views, developing them into what we have today; but the origin of both views is quite ancient." Thank you Acts6:5. However there is much more to the story. I don't have the time right now but I'll come back a bit later with futher comment. For the rest of posters, may I suggest that you need to study a bit deeper fot the correct timelines given in scripture. It would also be helpful to understand that for every text that has been quoted as confirming the 'rapture' there are more text that directly reject the 'rapture' as an additional event to the second coming of Christ. Respectfully, your brother in Christ, Doc
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8th October 2009, 06:47 AM
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Reps: 43,996,263,791,241,704 (power: 43,996,263,791,252) | | | Regarding the rapture not being in the Olivet Discourse, that is incorrect. For the rapture is the "gathering together" of the church at the second coming of Jesus (2 Thessalonians 2:1), and the "gathering together" of the church at the second coming of Jesus is in Matthew 24:30-31 and Mark 13:26-27.
Regarding Matthew 24:40-41 not referring to the rapture, that is correct. For those "taken" at the second coming of Jesus are the unsaved who will be killed and their bodies taken where the birds will eat their corpses (Luke 17:36-37, Matthew 24:28, Revelation 19:21, Job 39:27,30). And those "left" at the second coming of Jesus (Matthew 24:40) are the unsaved who will be left alive and ruled with a rod of iron by Jesus and the church during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2). |
10th October 2009, 05:05 AM
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10th October 2009, 05:16 AM
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Reps: 233,180,187,640,399,616 (power: 233,180,187,640,476) | | Originally Posted by Ave Maria Oh, this will be easy! The "rapture" is a false and heretical doctrine invented by the Dispensationalists. Dispensationalism is a heresy. You can learn more about the heretical doctrine of the "rapture" by going here: The Rapture
Actually, the rapture is a true doctrine. See my reply to your other thread where you claim that there is no such thing as the rapture.  |
10th October 2009, 05:59 AM
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Reps: 1,702,079,835,121 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by FundamentalBaptistLady Actually, the rapture is a true doctrine. See my reply to your other thread where you claim that there is no such thing as the rapture. It seems many are not interisted in being caught up to Christ, they seem to be more interisted in their live here in this world, rather than with christ in Heaven. |
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Reps: 242,185,112,465,767,904 (power: 242,185,112,465,778) | | Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus KEWL!!!  Matt 10:22 And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me. The one yet enduring into a- finish/teloV <5056>,this one shall be being saved [Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]
KEWL??? 
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