Can someone explain what the Rapture is please?

The term "secret rapture" is erroneous. Pretribulationists hold that the coming of Christ to meet the saints in the air will be visible, accompanied with sound and "every eye will see Him" (Rev 1:7). Its sudden, but certainly not secret.


LDG

There is no rapture in the Revelation of Jesus given to John.

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"The proof of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" Revelation 19:10

Originally Posted by interpreter

There is no rapture in the Revelation of Jesus given to John.

So Very True... he did not have to tell of it in that particular book, why rehash something that Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and a few others had already spoken of...?

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Originally Posted by LamorakDesGalis

LOL!



The primary passage for the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.

Virtually everyone would agree that the rapture is an event which is a "catching up" of the believers on earth into the air to meet with Jesus Christ. The gist of it is that the saints will be gathered to be with Christ when He returns.

Along millennial lines, the vast majority of amillennialists and postmillennialists do not speak of a rapture. These views regard the rapture as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 as either identical to the second coming of Jesus as described in Matthew 24:29-31, or as a meeting in the air with Jesus that immediately preceeds his second coming to the earth.

The amil position is reflected in many traditional church organizations, including the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran churches and other protestant bodies.

Within premillennialism, Historical premillennialists at times will refer to a rapture - but many do not. Their view concerning the rapture is the same as above - a meeting in the air with Jesus that immediately preceeds the second coming. Historical premils differ on the length of the tribulation. Technically all Historical premils take the postribulation view, but it particularly applies to those who view the tribulation as 7 years in length.

The majority premillennial view that refers to the rapture is the pretribulation position. The pretribulation position holds that Jesus will return for the church prior to the start of the seven year tribulation, then will return with the church at the end of that period.

There are three minority premillennial positions, the midtribulation view, the prewrath rapture and the partial rapture view. The midtribulation position holds that the church will endure the first half of the tribulation (3.5 years) and then be raptured after that. The prewrath rapture view holds that the church will be raptured sometime after the 6th seal in Revelation is opened. The partial rapture view holds that there will be multiple raptures of believers during the tribulation period.

I guess I should say something about the folks who attempt to set dates for the rapture. Nah, won't go there...

LDG

ALMOST WENT BIAS there...
EXCELLENT EXPLANATION

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The English word "rapture" is derived from the root of the Latin word "rapiemur", which was how the old Latin (Vulgate) translation of the Bible translated the original Greek word translated as "caught up" in the KJV of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

So the "rapture" is simply the church's being "caught up" together in the air to have a meeting with Jesus in the clouds at his second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). At this meeting, Jesus will judge the church (Psalms 50:4-5, cf. Mark 13:27) and marry the church (Revelation 19:7) in the clouds before the church mounts white horses and descends back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he wages war against and defeats all the armies of the world (Revelation 19:19-21). Jesus will then reign on the earth with the church for 1000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

The "catching up together" (rapture) of the church at the second coming of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) is the same as the "gathering together" of the church at the second coming of Jesus (2 Thessalonians 2:1. Matthew 24:30-31, Mark 13:26-27). It will occur immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). That's why the second coming of Jesus and marriage of the church doesn't occur until Revelation 19:7-20:3, after the tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18. When Jesus comes and gathers together and marries the church he will destroy the man commonly called the Antichrist (the man of sin, the beast) (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). Jesus cannot come and gather together the church until sometime after there's an apostasy (falling away) in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, Matthew 24:9-31) and the Antichrist and his followers set up the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing image of the Antichrist) in the holy place of a third Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15-31, Daniel 11:31), when the Antichrist himself will also sit in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).

After the Antichrist does this, the church will have to suffer through the subsequent 42-month (or 1,260-day) Luciferian world-reign of terror of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5, Revelation 12:6), when he will persecute and kill Christians in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), and when the whole world will be brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon) and the Antichrist (the beast) (Revelation 13:4-18). Jesus could return 1,335 days after the Antichrist and his followers set up the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). The 75 days between the end of the Antichrist's 1,260-day world-reign and the return of Jesus could be taken up with the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), before which those in the church still alive on the earth, still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelaton 16:15), will go into protective chambers which they will have built for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20). This will be similar to how before the flood Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they had built for themselves on the earth (Genesis 7:7).

Here is where the faulty "Rapture" idea comes from:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;

And he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof." (Mat. 24:30-31) (YIT)

The sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds in 312 AD, and it is known as the turning point of history. St. Constantine saw the sign and with a bow conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church. Christians have ruled the earth ever since, and will to the end. Verse 31 refers to St. Constantine gathering all the Church together, in Nicea.

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"The proof of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" Revelation 19:10

Originally Posted by interpreter

Here is where the faulty "Rapture" idea comes from:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;

And he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof." (Mat. 24:30-31) (YIT)

The sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds in 312 AD, and it is known as the turning point of history. St. Constantine saw the sign and with a bow conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church. Christians have ruled the earth ever since, and will to the end. Verse 31 refers to St. Constantine gathering all the Church together, in Nicea.

Most think that the word "trumpet" in these particular scriptures is silent. But it will not be. Trumpets in scripture have been used to herald the event or the announcement to come. As the Lord was very loud and noisy with trumpets on Mount Sinai, so also will be He loud and very noisy with trumpets with His Second coming. Loud enough to wake the dead.

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Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.

I am a former Catholic too, and like you, did not know what it was...

the "rapture" is the gathering to Christ, of the firstfruits, from both heaven and earth.

it happens when Christ Comes back to earth as promised, and sets up the Millennial Kingdom

When Christ Comes, He brings with Him the dead election that are with Him in heaven...so that they can be raised back to life again here on earth.

It is our promise as believers (1Thes4:13-16)

When He raises them back to life on earth again, the elect that are alive and still on earth at that time (witnessing against the beast), are all gathered to their collective...to Christ on Mt Zion... here on earth

together, they are the firstfruits...a great Cloud of witnesses...and God will use them to teach the others the truth in the Millennium...


the gathering to Christ (rapture) is post tribulation, AFTER the birth pains that we are experiencing now and that will grow...

Matt24
Mark13
Luke21
1Thes4:13-16
2Thes2
1Cor15
Rev11
Rev14
Rev19

these are all about the gathering to Christ...and these are all after the tribulation that is to test all believers.


sure there is....Rev11, 14, 19 just to name a few examples of this time

lol, the bible is all about more than one witness...multiple witnesses
and as mentioned above, the gathering to Christ sure is mentioned in Rev

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May I ask a question?

Do any of you know the actual origin of 'Futurism', 'Preterism', and the 'Rapture'?

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

The origin of Futurism and Preterism can be found in the writings of Early Church Fathers within the first four centuries after Christ. Later theologians and commentators expanded on those earlier views, developing them into what we have today; but the origin of both views is quite ancient.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

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Jesus said unto them, "And whom do you say that I am?"

They replied,"You are the eschatological manifestation of the ground of our being, the ontological foundation of the context of our very selfhood revealed."

And Jesus replied, "Huh?"


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