It would seem the statement that "We Are All In This Together" is most often made by those seeking a handout.
When there is an illegitimate baby I did not participated in the impregnation.
When there is a case of AIDS or STDS, I did not participated in the sexual activity that did the transmission.
When there is disease, death, destruction and poverty produced by too much wine, women/men and song, I did not participate.
We are "not" all in this together because some avoid the evil/sin that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty while others willfully participate in activities that are known to lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.
Should Christians be penalized by having to pay for the willfully evil/sinful activities of the Atheists?
We are not in this together when the Baucus Health Care legislation would offer subsidies to those making less than $66,000 and penalties to those earning more than $66,000. Only a democrat could consider this as being fair.
I believe God intends that those who willfully disobey the commandments/doctrines of the Bible (willfully involved in evil/sin) to suffer disease, death, destruction and poverty. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
I believe those that advocate helping those that are suffering due to willful evil/sin are doing the work of Satan and not of Jesus Christ. The first responsibility of Christians is to bring a person to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior, then be involved with personal charity. There is never a justification of government run health care/welfare where people are helped without an acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior. Government run health care/welfare is nothing more than subsidizing sin/evil.
Democrats are fighting with God with their health care/welfare policies, and God is fighting back with ever increasing disease, death, destruction and poverty. When there is a rejection of the policies of the democrats and a revival in America, there will be a healing in America.
Should Christians be penalized by having to pay for the willfully evil/sinful activities of the Atheists?
Not sure why you tie all of that to atheism. The vast majority of people with their hand in someone elses pocket are Christian. If every person who called themselves a Christian took it as their own personal responsibility to care for themselves and their family, the handful of atheists who did otherwise would be of no significance.
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When there is an illegitimate baby I did not participated in the impregnation.
But you might still enjoy the benefits of having another individual participate in the economy, pay taxes. Etc.
Should Christians be penalized by having to pay for the willfully evil/sinful activities of the Atheists?
Should Atheists pay taxes to what you consider a 'Christian Nation'? For that matter, should Muslims, Jews or Hindus' pay taxes to what some frequently proclaim is a 'Christian Nation'?
I believe God intends that those who willfully disobey the commandments/doctrines of the Bible (willfully involved in evil/sin) to suffer disease, death, destruction and poverty. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
And yet this hypothesis of yours fails to explain why it is possible for so many of the devout to suffer and yet so many Atheists who are materially wealthy and/or healthy. We all die Clirus. Mortality is a common characteristic of human nature. In corporeal existence, the righteous and the wicked share the same fate, regardless of their character or conduct. Only in the Resurrection is there possibility of new life, but until then, we all share the same doom. It is pointless to assume that some are destined to die and some are not: we are all destined to die, but apparently only some are destined to rise.
I believe those that advocate helping those that are suffering due to willful evil/sin are doing the work of Satan and not of Jesus Christ. The first responsibility of Christians is to bring a person to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior, then be involved with personal charity.
If you are right, then the Good Samaritan was in risk of damnation for doing the work of Satan; for you must remember that the Samaritan had no means of assessing whether the Jew was injured on account of disobedience to God, and yet he still chose to assist the man, thereby risking the possibility that he was actually doing the work of Satan.
Are you the Good Samaritan who had no means of assessing the faith/religion of the injured man and yet still helped him... or ... are you the Pharisee who walked on by and ignored the need of a fellow human being? Choose carefully.
There is never a justification of government run health care/welfare where people are helped without an acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior. Government run health care/welfare is nothing more than subsidizing sin/evil.
Then you should get rid of public roads, parks, postal services, defence. Etc, because each of these might involve subsidising sin/evil. If an Atheist drives on a public road to travel to an Atheist conference where he will preach his Atheism in a public venue, are you subsidising evil?
Democrats are fighting with God with their health care/welfare policies, and God is fighting back with ever increasing disease, death, destruction and poverty. When there is a rejection of the policies of the democrats and a revival in America, there will be a healing in America.
Democrats are fighting with hyper-partisan Republicans. Republicans are not God.
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And democrats arent hyper-partisan? When did that happen?
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-Ayn Rand
And democrats arent hyper-partisan? When did that happen?
Didn't say they aren't.
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Both sides have become more partisan over the years. I suspect this has much to do with the way that voting districts are drawn. There are so many "safe" seats in the House that the most extreme members can get in and virtually stay there for life. But republicans are not relevant at this point. Dems control the House, the Senate, and the White House. They can pass whatever they like. Blaming republicans for obstruction at this point is comical. They are as powerless as any political party has been in recent memory. Democrats are largely arguing amongst themselves.
__________________ The precept: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” . . . is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself. . .The moral principle to adopt in this issue, is: “Judge, and be prepared to be judged.”
-Ayn Rand
It would seem the statement that "We Are All In This Together" is most often made by those seeking a handout.
When there is an illegitimate baby I did not participated in the impregnation.
When there is a case of AIDS or STDS, I did not participated in the sexual activity that did the transmission.
When there is disease, death, destruction and poverty produced by too much wine, women/men and song, I did not participate.
We are "not" all in this together because some avoid the evil/sin that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty while others willfully participate in activities that are known to lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.
Should Christians be penalized by having to pay for the willfully evil/sinful activities of the Atheists?
We are not in this together when the Baucus Health Care legislation would offer subsidies to those making less than $66,000 and penalties to those earning more than $66,000. Only a democrat could consider this as being fair.
I believe God intends that those who willfully disobey the commandments/doctrines of the Bible (willfully involved in evil/sin) to suffer disease, death, destruction and poverty. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
I believe those that advocate helping those that are suffering due to willful evil/sin are doing the work of Satan and not of Jesus Christ. The first responsibility of Christians is to bring a person to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior, then be involved with personal charity. There is never a justification of government run health care/welfare where people are helped without an acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior. Government run health care/welfare is nothing more than subsidizing sin/evil.
Democrats are fighting with God with their health care/welfare policies, and God is fighting back with ever increasing disease, death, destruction and poverty. When there is a rejection of the policies of the democrats and a revival in America, there will be a healing in America.
You started off there actually making some sense....and then went completely off the rails into a river of nuttery.
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Good gods you better hope Jesus never comes back. Dude is not gonna be happy
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Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Drink and the devil had done for the rest
We wrapped 'em all in a mains'l tight
With twice ten turns of a hawser's bight
And we heaved 'em over and out of sight,
With a Yo-Heave-Ho! and a fare-you-well
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell
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Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Democrats are fighting with God with their health care/welfare policies, and God is fighting back with ever increasing disease, death, destruction and poverty. When there is a rejection of the policies of the democrats and a revival in America, there will be a healing in America.
And here we have another person who doesn't have a clue as to what's really going wrong with America today.
Posts like this are why I'm rather pessimistic on our odds of surviving the incipient low-carbon era as an intact country. It's bad enough there are so many people facile enough to pin the blame on Obama. You've got another faction posting here who think we're on hard times because our collective noses were insufficiently inserted into the rear end of the wealthy elite and corporations. Now you've got a crop of people who think the finity of fossil fuels is God's punishment.
"My gas tank is almost empty. OOOH JESUS WHERE DID I GO WRONG?!?!"
Yes, there are too many clueless people, and not enough time for those of us who actually have a clue to get them up to speed in time to save the United States.
So for those of you who, like myself, actually understand what's happening, I would not include the existence of the United States of America in your plans for the future, at least not beyond 2020 or so...
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Posts like this are why I'm rather pessimistic on our odds of surviving the incipient low-carbon era as an intact country. It's bad enough there are so many people facile enough to pin the blame on Obama. You've got another faction posting here who think we're on hard times because our collective noses were insufficiently inserted into the rear end of the wealthy elite and corporations. Now you've got a crop of people who think the finity of fossil fuels is God's punishment.
"My gas tank is almost empty. OOOH JESUS WHERE DID I GO WRONG?!?!"
Yes, there are too many clueless people, and not enough time for those of us who actually have a clue to get them up to speed in time to save the United States.
It is rather ironic that, at least in some cases, those who claim that religious and charitable obligations are personal - not collective - acts, are sometimes the same individuals who imply that God punishes whole nations - collectives - for failing to follow his commands, rather than individuals. One wonders if they are conscious of the inconsistency in their own claims that God likes individual acts of charity and personal giving, but apparently punishes collectives for not following his commands.
So for those of you who, like myself, actually understand what's happening, I would not include the existence of the United States of America in your plans for the future,[/b] at least not beyond 2020 or so...
I often wonder whether it could ever get that bad to cause the dissolution of the United States. If such a thing did occur, I predict that those who obstinately cling to their ideologies will attempt to deflect the blame onto others holding rival ideologies. The radical Right will blame the lunatic Left for destroying the nation-state, and vice versa. Oh wait... that's already happening. The discourse seems to revolve entirely around the destruction of the US and not its construction and maintenance. How can we expect progress to occur if the political discourse of the nation is dominated by rigid, inflexible ideological scruples? A persistent and irrational fear that any progression accredited to a particular ideology will cause a slippery slope that will inevitably result in that ideology's dominance.
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