We Are All In This Together

Ayersy · #41 18th October 2009, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

We Are All In This Together

It would seem the statement that "We Are All In This Together" is most often made by those seeking a handout.

When there is an illegitimate baby I did not participated in the impregnation.

When there is a case of AIDS or STDS, I did not participated in the sexual activity that did the transmission.

When there is disease, death, destruction and poverty produced by too much wine, women/men and song, I did not participate.

We are "not" all in this together because some avoid the evil/sin that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty while others willfully participate in activities that are known to lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

Should Christians be penalized by having to pay for the willfully evil/sinful activities of the Atheists?

We are not in this together when the Baucus Health Care legislation would offer subsidies to those making less than $66,000 and penalties to those earning more than $66,000. Only a democrat could consider this as being fair.

I believe God intends that those who willfully disobey the commandments/doctrines of the Bible (willfully involved in evil/sin) to suffer disease, death, destruction and poverty. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I believe those that advocate helping those that are suffering due to willful evil/sin are doing the work of Satan and not of Jesus Christ. The first responsibility of Christians is to bring a person to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior, then be involved with personal charity. There is never a justification of government run health care/welfare where people are helped without an acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior. Government run health care/welfare is nothing more than subsidizing sin/evil.

Democrats are fighting with God with their health care/welfare policies, and God is fighting back with ever increasing disease, death, destruction and poverty. When there is a rejection of the policies of the democrats and a revival in America, there will be a healing in America.

Can you provide any evidence that atheists are suffering more from disease, poverty, etc?

clirus · #42 18th October 2009, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ayersy

Can you provide any evidence that atheists are suffering more from disease, poverty, etc?

AIDS Deaths - Deaths Due to AIDS - How Many Have Died of AIDS

Some Facts About AIDS Deaths:

* As of the end of 2005, approximately 550,000 deaths among people with AIDS have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control.

* In 2003, AIDS was the fifth leading cause of death in the United States among people aged 25 to 44, behind unintentional injuries, cancer, heart disease and suicide.

Worldwide, there were over 2 million deaths due to AIDS in 2007.

http://data.unaids.org/pub/EPISlides...iupdate_en.pdf

All these deaths and the Bible clearly calls homosexuality an abomination.

Archaeopteryx · #43 18th October 2009, 08:57 AM

I believe separating God and Jesus leads to some strange thinking. The New Testament is for and about Christians (believers), it cannot be applied to Atheists. I believe the Old Testament is applicable to all people.

You believe that separating God and Jesus leads to strange thinking but isn't that exactly what you are doing when you are separating the Old and New Testaments. Nothing seems to indicate that Jesus intended for his New Testament teachings to apply only to Christians. He reached out to the outcasts of his day, and even taught parables in which bridges across cultural divides were built, and the Bible beckons us to follow him in imitation. Aren't we then, as Christians, obliged to do the same and reach out to the outcasts of our day? Remember, Jesus didn't just preach to Jews or would-be pre-destined Christians. He didn't just heal those pre-destined to be his followers.

Archaeopteryx · #44 18th October 2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

AIDS Deaths - Deaths Due to AIDS - How Many Have Died of AIDS

Some Facts About AIDS Deaths:

* As of the end of 2005, approximately 550,000 deaths among people with AIDS have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control.

* In 2003, AIDS was the fifth leading cause of death in the United States among people aged 25 to 44, behind unintentional injuries, cancer, heart disease and suicide.

Worldwide, there were over 2 million deaths due to AIDS in 2007.

http://data.unaids.org/pub/EPISlides...iupdate_en.pdf

All these deaths and the Bible clearly calls homosexuality an abomination.

If AIDS is God's punishment for homosexuality, then why would God create a disease that also infects heterosexual couples? It seems rather unjust for heterosexual individuals to be vulnerable to a disease intended as a punishment for homosexuality. Is your imagined version of god really so inept? Also, why have some homosexuals lived their entire lives, practising their sexuality, without having attained the apparent punishment of AIDS? How have they escaped punishment and yet some of their heterosexual peers, even some of their Christian peers, have not?

lordbt · #45 18th October 2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mithrandir Istar

If AIDS is God's punishment for homosexuality, then why would God create a disease that also infects heterosexual couples? Is your imagined version of god so inept?

Well, He did manage to overlook that serpent slipping into the Garden of Eden and corrupting the Crown of His Creation, so it wouldnt be His first mistake.

Archaeopteryx · #46 18th October 2009, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by lordbt

Well, He did manage to overlook that serpent slipping into the Garden of Eden and corrupting the Crown of His Creation, so it wouldnt be His first mistake.

In terms of Christian theology, I don't think many would claim that it was an error. He allowed Adam and Eve to make a legitimate choice, without which humanity would not possess agency, and so the Serpent represented a particular kind of choice (and a particular kind of rationale too).

Though most Christians I know are not content with taking a literalist account of Genesis I or II anyway. And neither am I.

Good call though.

Ayersy · #47 18th October 2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

AIDS Deaths - Deaths Due to AIDS - How Many Have Died of AIDS

Some Facts About AIDS Deaths:

* As of the end of 2005, approximately 550,000 deaths among people with AIDS have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control.

* In 2003, AIDS was the fifth leading cause of death in the United States among people aged 25 to 44, behind unintentional injuries, cancer, heart disease and suicide.

Worldwide, there were over 2 million deaths due to AIDS in 2007.

http://data.unaids.org/pub/EPISlides...iupdate_en.pdf

All these deaths and the Bible clearly calls homosexuality an abomination.

I do believe they are articles about deaths caused by AIDS, not atheism. Either that or they're just spelling atheism wrong. Care to try again?

clirus · #48 22nd October 2009, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Ayersy

I do believe they are articles about deaths caused by AIDS, not atheism. Either that or they're just spelling atheism wrong. Care to try again?

I believe the Bible establishes the relationship between homosexual activity/Atheism and AIDS.

Romans 1:26-32, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

I believe the "worthy of death" is the prediction of AIDS.

TheNewWorldMan · #49 22nd October 2009, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

AIDS Deaths - Deaths Due to AIDS - How Many Have Died of AIDS

You are being intellectually dishonest here. I make that charge because the fallacy of equating AIDS with homosexuality and atheism has been pointed out to you repeatedly. You have been provided with proof that in most of the world AIDS is a heterosexual or blood-borne disease, yet you still bring up HIV whenever anyone questions your claims about the "atheistic lifestyle."

Many of our CHRISTIAN brothers and sisters in Africa would see your continued distortion on this subject as a slap in the face, as they bear the brunt of this terrible epidemic.

TheNewWorldMan · #50 22nd October 2009, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

I believe the Bible establishes the relationship between homosexual activity/Atheism and AIDS.

Wrong, and patently absurd on its face. AIDS did not exist when the Bible was written. You might as well claim the Bible has something to say about MySpace or toasters.

Once again YOU FAIL.