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20th October 2009, 12:02 AM
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20th October 2009, 01:41 AM
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Reps: 28,890,772,494 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by RoyWM I am constantly running into people who call themselves Christians, yet readily admit that they do not take the Bible literally.
What does that mean, that they don't take the Bible literally? You mean the interpret certain passages metaphorically, or that they dismiss the whole Bible as not true? I will call these people moral relativists because they preach a tolerance of immorality and a rejection of absolute Truth.
Moral relativism is such a difficult term because to some degree, we are all moral relativists. We all examine different situations and make choices based on those situations. Like, I'm opposed to murder. The Bible includes a commandment against committing murder and I agree with it and follow it. In nearly every situation, I don't have any difficulty obeying that command. However, if someone were breaking into my home, and they were armed, and their intentions were clearly to hurt or kill me or my family, I would find it acceptable to judge the situation as one where killing for self-defense was tolerable as a last resort. In my understanding, the whole idea of moral relativism is just that the same answer doesn't work in 100% of situations. In many situations, the injunction against murder applies, but some people allow for killing to take place in war, others support murder when it refers to the death penalty, and so on. Yes, these folks do talk a lot about the Two Commandment which they say I do not live by because I am as they would say intollerant of sin. I can provide Scripture regarding the abominiation of Homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:24-28, yet whenever I quote these verses I called a bigot and a racist.
Where does racist apply, I wonder? And it's not bigoted to speak your opinion. The problem would occur if you were engaging in discrimination, which is illegal. Speaking your mind shouldn't be a problem. So my question is how do I communicate with other Christians who practice a form of moral relativism which I am quite uncomfortable with? Do I ignore the Scriptures when they start telling me that I should support homosexuality including their marriage? Do I just forget the Truth for the sake of getting along? 
I don't think you should ignore what you believe in, or pretend to agree with others just to fit in. Doing that is only going to reduce the amount of respect others have for you because they will see that you are unwilling to stick to your principals and that you are caving to social pressure. I'd say find a way to communicate your opinions but still remain open to hearing theirs. Two-way conversations go a lot further than one-way lectures. If someone is supporting something you disagree with, gently share the verses that support your stance with them, and invite them to examine what the Bible has to say about the issue. Then, ask them to justify their opinion in light of scripture. Either they are interpreting scripture differently from you, or they are valuing social norms or personal desires more than scripture. Whatever the cause, pointing that out to them nicely will enable them to realize what they are doing. As long as you remain friendly and don't resort to anger, there shouldn't be a problem getting along. | 
22nd October 2009, 09:54 AM
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Anyway, thank you for your analysis and input to my post.
"They don't take the Bible literally" because they don't believe it is the truth from God. "They" reject the parts of the Bible they don't like because the truth offends them.
I call them moral relativists because they reject God's absolute truth. For moral relativists the truth is not absolute, but flexible. Thus a moral relativist will accept homosexual marriage because he says it doesn't hurt anyone and he doesn't want to offend the current social climate. The Bible clearly defines homosexuality as a sin against God, yet the moral relativist prefers the standards of society to the truth which God has ordained. The moral relativist is more concerned with not offending social mores than with not offending God.
Racist and bigots are standard lines used by these moral relativists to define me because I do not subscribe to their humanistic depraved views which they consider societal norms.
I speak the truth regardless of what others think of me. I answer to God and I do answer to any man or woman.
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25th October 2009, 05:53 AM
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31st October 2009, 11:27 AM
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What is the problem? Did you answer your posts?
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4th November 2009, 11:16 PM
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If the world hates you, it is because it hated Him first.
Christ never taught a compromising message... Hecamewithasword.
People in the NT wanted to kill Christ for the message He taught; so what's a liitle bit of name calling to you?
Christian moral relativists (it's even hard to type those words together) are not Christian.
They will hate you because they hate the Truth.
Teach the Word in earnest just as you have received it.
Do not compromise or 'water-down' a Truth message just because someone may get upset.
There is no contest you're trying to win, here.... preach the Word, and let the Spirit do His job.... If they were not chosen to believe; shake the dust from your feet, and move on.
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10th November 2009, 11:21 AM
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Reps: 183,014,150,600,638 (power: 183,014,150,609) | | Originally Posted by icamewithasword To OP,
If the world hates you, it is because it hated Him first.
Christ never taught a compromising message... Hecamewithasword.
People in the NT wanted to kill Christ for the message He taught; so what's a liitle bit of name calling to you?
Christian moral relativists (it's even hard to type those words together) are not Christian.
They will hate you because they hate the Truth.
Teach the Word in earnest just as you have received it.
Do not compromise or 'water-down' a Truth message just because someone may get upset.
There is no contest you're trying to win, here.... preach the Word, and let the Spirit do His job.... If they were not chosen to believe; shake the dust from your feet, and move on.
That is the way way I see it. The Truth of God is absolute and not to be trifled with (or mitigated) in order to please a fallen and depraved society. Those who call themselves Christians but preach another message of tolerance for wickedness are not of God. They are the wolves in sheeps clothing set among us in the Church to turn others away from the Truth.
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11th November 2009, 12:01 AM
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Reps: 6,013,480,095 (power: 6,013,481) | | | However what about the portions that the Bible explicitly state is no longer relevant? For instance Paul clearly stated in his letters that the Mosaic Law was no longer applicable and relevant to Christians, thus wouldn't those parts be no longer relevant? | 
11th November 2009, 12:14 AM
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Reps: 517,303,837,716 (power: 517,303,838) | | Originally Posted by RoyWM I am constantly running into people who call themselves Christians, yet readily admit that they do not take the Bible literally.
"Taking the Bible literally" is not a necessary requirement for being a Christian.
In fact, believing that the Bible is 100% true is not a necessary requirement for being a Christian.
But sure, I find moral relativism a largely contradictory belief. | 
13th November 2009, 07:20 PM
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Reps: 183,014,150,600,638 (power: 183,014,150,609) | | Originally Posted by arationalchristian "Taking the Bible literally" is not a necessary requirement for being a Christian.
In fact, believing that the Bible is 100% true is not a necessary requirement for being a Christian.
But sure, I find moral relativism a largely contradictory belief.
If you have faith in God then would you not also believe His Word? Many claim to be Christians yet reject God's Word which is inconvenient to them. Standing on the Word of God will be personnally uncomfortable because the depraved enemies of Christ who have usurped our government and the places of power, hate the truth and hate anyone who dares to speak it.
If you do not believe God's Word then why bother calling yourself a Christian. It is trully a wasted effort.
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