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Old 1st October 2009, 12:33 PM
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Agree New early hominid fossil...

... fills morphological gap between chimps and australopithecines:

Ardipithecus: We Meet At Last | The Loom | Discover Magazine


Cool stuff!
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Old 1st October 2009, 12:56 PM
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... fills morphological gap between chimps and australopithecines:

Ardipithecus: We Meet At Last | The Loom | Discover Magazine


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Very cool.

A couple of important points made toward the end of the article.


Chimpanzees may be our closest living relatives, but that doesn’t mean that our common ancestor with them looked precisely like a chimp. In fact, a lot of what makes a chimpanzee a chimpanzee evolved after our two lineages split roughly 7 million years ago. Ardipithecus offers strong evidence for the newness of chimps.
Only after our ancestors branched off from chimpanzees, Lovejoy and his colleagues argue, did chimpanzee arms evolve the right shape for swinging through trees. Chimpanzee arms are also adapted for knuckle-walking, while Ardipithecus didn’t have the right anatomy to lean comfortably on their hands. Chimpanzees also have peculiar adaptations in their feet that make them particularly adept in trees. For example, they’re missing a bone found in monkeys and humans, which helps to stiffen our feet. The lack of this bone makes chimpanzee feet even more flexible in trees, but it also makes them worse at walking on the ground. Ardipithecus had that same foot bone we have. This pattern suggests that chimpanzees lost the bone after their split with our ancestors, becoming even better at tree-climbing.

Chimpanzees do still tell us certain things about our ancestry. Our ancestors had chimp-sized brains. They were hairy like chimps and other apes. And like chimps, they didn’t wear jewelry or play the trumpet.

But then again, humans turn out to be a good stand-in for the ancestors of chimpanzees in some ways–now that Ardipithecus has clambered finally into view.

Juvenissen and Mark Kennedy please take note.
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that sketch says it all, I'm sold!
I would sooner you base your acceptance on a careful consideration of the fossils themselves, but whatever suits your fancy...
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I would sooner you base your acceptance on a careful consideration of the fossils themselves, but whatever suits your fancy...
No, the sketch and article meant to persuade totally sold me, like many of you.
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Personally, the journal article itself sold me. I don't put much trust in popular articles because they often offer a distorted perspective on science (which is partly why the public's understanding of science is so appalling), but journal articles aren't always freely available to everyone.
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Personally, the journal article itself sold me. I don't put much trust in popular articles because they often offer a distorted perspective on science (which is partly why the public's understanding of science is so appalling), but journal articles aren't always freely available to everyone.
Mallon, you've read the research periodical? I imagine I'll go hunting for it in my university's library or put out an interlibrary request for it.
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Mallon, you've read the research periodical? I imagine I'll go hunting for it in my university's library or put out an interlibrary request for it.
Yes, my university gets Science.
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Yes, my university gets Science.
Nice, mine does too, but I guess I'm too lazy to go down there right now. Over the weekend maybe.
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