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I was amused by seeing a sketch and people commenting on it in amazement. It was a connection I made.
You're being overly cynical. Two people commented on the thread before you made your snarky remark: one made explicit reference to the article, and the second simply said "fascinating". Why you suppose everyone accepts the fossil as evidence for evolution on the basis of the sketch alone, I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Mallon View Post
You're being overly cynical. Two people commented on the thread before you made your snarky remark: one made explicit reference to the article, and the second simply said "fascinating". Why you suppose everyone accepts the fossil as evidence for evolution on the basis of the sketch alone, I don't know.
You're being too serious. Sometimes you need to take a step back and relax.

There was nothing cynical, diabolical, offensive, or vicious about what I said. It was meant in jest, in good fun, and not at all serious.

Didn't I put a winking smiley face on that? I thought that would be an obvious hint to a jest. Guess not.

On a serious note, I don't for one second believe that people with intelligence would look at a picture and say, evolution is fact. That's just silly. While our beliefs differ, I'd never assume you or anyone here to be that gullible.

So, I'm sorry if you felt offended or attacked. I was just trying to lighten the mood. Sometimes you have to laugh in life - it's just too short.
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Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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I heard windows 7's outlook not only sends the public key but the private key as well, by default!
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Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
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Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."


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Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself)
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Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on evolution. I studied biology in college and I understand the tenets of the theory.

There is a big problem with it though, a problem so big that it led me not be able to accept it. It does conflict with Genesis.

You're stretching the Bible to it's breaking point when you try to reconcile the Genesis account with evolution. The order of appearance of organisms in Genesis is even different from what evolution would try to tell us. No where does it say one type turned into another and changed over time, those are just inventions to try to reconcile the Bible to science.

Why reconcile the Bible though? The Bible is perfect, it is science that needs reconciling.

I know that evolution is an attractive theory, it would seem to explain a lot, but when the choice is between believing the Bible or science, I know which i pick
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I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on evolution. I studied biology in college and I understand the tenets of the theory.

There is a big problem with it though, a problem so big that it led me not be able to accept it. It does conflict with Genesis.

You're stretching the Bible to it's breaking point when you try to reconcile the Genesis account with evolution. The order of appearance of organisms in Genesis is even different from what evolution would try to tell us. No where does it say one type turned into another and changed over time, those are just inventions to try to reconcile the Bible to science.

Why reconcile the Bible though? The Bible is perfect, it is science that needs reconciling.

I know that evolution is an attractive theory, it would seem to explain a lot, but when the choice is between believing the Bible or science, I know which i pick
It wasn't thought that the two were necessarily so contradictory 100 years ago in conservative circles. A number of famous conservative leaders accepted (or at least entertained the possibility of) evolution as not in conflict. B.B. Warfield, one of the founders of modern fundamentalism wrote a famous journal article that reconciled evolution with a literal reading of Genesis.

It certainly is true that evolution is irreconcilably opposed to the modern literal interpretation of Genesis (as begun by Pastor McCready Price). But it is not necessarily opposed to a literal reading.

All that said, I think most of the TE's, here, don't accept a literal reading of the creation account.
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