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Mallon, you've read the research periodical? I imagine I'll go hunting for it in my university's library or put out an interlibrary request for it.
Science has put the entire special issue online for free (you might need to register, but it doesn't require a subscription. All the research articles are in PDF format.
The link is at www . sciencemag . org / ardipithecus
(Sorry it won't let me post the actual link, just take out the spaces to make it a link)
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No, the sketch and article meant to persuade totally sold me, like many of you.
It's funny, cause when an article is published where biologists say "We didn't predict this" the creationists jump all over it without ever reading the in depth study behind the article. Yet when something like this is published, then they say "It's just a sketch, why do people accept this without understanding the in depth studies behind it?"
Silly double standards.
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I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
What questions would it answer? What it means is that we end up with more questions like, why do humans share egg laying DNA with chickens? (even though ours in inactive) Why do we share pseudo genes with many other animals on earth? Why do functional sections of DNA, such as cytocrome C, fit in a phylogenetic tree with the rest of life?
The way I see, saying we evolved from a common ancestor with the rest of life on earth is what answers a lot of questions. Saying we were left here by aliens answers no questions that I know of but creates a lot of problems that needs to be solved.
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I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
Like what? To my mind, it introduces more questions than it answers, like: If man was here 10 million years ago, why is there only evidence for his existence over the last couple million years?
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Nice, mine does too, but I guess I'm too lazy to go down there right now. Over the weekend maybe.
Science has a special edition on Ardipithecus, and they say they're making the contents available for free (with registration). They've even sponsored a link on Google. (I haven't looked at the issue yet -- I usually read the print edition on the bus, and I haven't gotten it yet.)
I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
But a common ancestor would not be "man as we know him" even if it did have an extra-terrestrial origin. A common ancestor could be neither humans as we know them nor chimpanzees as we know them, but something that could in time evolve into both not to mention all the other intermediate hominid species which would also be traced back to it.
And there would still be all the other questions raised by other posters as to why it fit so neatly into the primate order and other relationships in the nested hierarchy.
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It's funny, cause when an article is published where biologists say "We didn't predict this" the creationists jump all over it without ever reading the in depth study behind the article. Yet when something like this is published, then they say "It's just a sketch, why do people accept this without understanding the in depth studies behind it?"
Silly double standards.
I'm assuming you are replying to me, but I don't think I said what you are talking against here. I was amused by seeing a sketch and people commenting on it in amazement. It was a connection I made.
I know there is an article that is very well written and semi-convincing. However, I was commenting about the invisible connection between the sketch and comments.
Science has put the entire special issue online for free (you might need to register, but it doesn't require a subscription. All the research articles are in PDF format.
The link is at www . sciencemag . org / ardipithecus
(Sorry it won't let me post the actual link, just take out the spaces to make it a link)
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