Origins TheologyForum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) vs Theistic Evolution. Discussion of Atheistic Evolution should be taken to the Discussion and Debate forums.
Mallon, you've read the research periodical? I imagine I'll go hunting for it in my university's library or put out an interlibrary request for it.
Science has put the entire special issue online for free (you might need to register, but it doesn't require a subscription. All the research articles are in PDF format.
The link is at www . sciencemag . org / ardipithecus
(Sorry it won't let me post the actual link, just take out the spaces to make it a link)
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No, the sketch and article meant to persuade totally sold me, like many of you.
It's funny, cause when an article is published where biologists say "We didn't predict this" the creationists jump all over it without ever reading the in depth study behind the article. Yet when something like this is published, then they say "It's just a sketch, why do people accept this without understanding the in depth studies behind it?"
Silly double standards.
__________________ "The Bible does not lend any moral support to natural selection...Ergo, natural selection is not a process that human beings should support." - SkyWriting
I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
What questions would it answer? What it means is that we end up with more questions like, why do humans share egg laying DNA with chickens? (even though ours in inactive) Why do we share pseudo genes with many other animals on earth? Why do functional sections of DNA, such as cytocrome C, fit in a phylogenetic tree with the rest of life?
The way I see, saying we evolved from a common ancestor with the rest of life on earth is what answers a lot of questions. Saying we were left here by aliens answers no questions that I know of but creates a lot of problems that needs to be solved.
__________________ "The Bible does not lend any moral support to natural selection...Ergo, natural selection is not a process that human beings should support." - SkyWriting
I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
Like what? To my mind, it introduces more questions than it answers, like: If man was here 10 million years ago, why is there only evidence for his existence over the last couple million years?
__________________ "There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well." -- creation scientist Dr. Todd Wood
Nice, mine does too, but I guess I'm too lazy to go down there right now. Over the weekend maybe.
Science has a special edition on Ardipithecus, and they say they're making the contents available for free (with registration). They've even sponsored a link on Google. (I haven't looked at the issue yet -- I usually read the print edition on the bus, and I haven't gotten it yet.)
I am going to suggest something some may not agree with but here goes...maybe we have not found a common ancestor because our common ancestor did not originate on earth? What if man as we know him came to this planet around 10 million years, perhaps by ship wreck or was deliberately left here to colonize the planet.
While you may disagree with me you have to admit it would answer a lot of questions.
But a common ancestor would not be "man as we know him" even if it did have an extra-terrestrial origin. A common ancestor could be neither humans as we know them nor chimpanzees as we know them, but something that could in time evolve into both not to mention all the other intermediate hominid species which would also be traced back to it.
And there would still be all the other questions raised by other posters as to why it fit so neatly into the primate order and other relationships in the nested hierarchy.
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It's funny, cause when an article is published where biologists say "We didn't predict this" the creationists jump all over it without ever reading the in depth study behind the article. Yet when something like this is published, then they say "It's just a sketch, why do people accept this without understanding the in depth studies behind it?"
Silly double standards.
I'm assuming you are replying to me, but I don't think I said what you are talking against here. I was amused by seeing a sketch and people commenting on it in amazement. It was a connection I made.
I know there is an article that is very well written and semi-convincing. However, I was commenting about the invisible connection between the sketch and comments.
Science has put the entire special issue online for free (you might need to register, but it doesn't require a subscription. All the research articles are in PDF format.
The link is at www . sciencemag . org / ardipithecus
(Sorry it won't let me post the actual link, just take out the spaces to make it a link)
Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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