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Old 2nd November 2009, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child View Post
Which presumes that a) Jesus can only die once, b) that Jesus only died for humans, c) God has only one method of offering salvation to sinners, and d) aliens are in fact in need of salvation.
lol owned.
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Old 2nd November 2009, 11:09 AM
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The OP's idea is actually addressed by the 4th century Nicene Creed: "I believe in one God...Maker of all things visible and invisible;...And in one Lord Jesus Christ...Begotten of the Father before all worlds...".

So Christianity specifically allows for the fact that there could be other worlds. Whether or not beings in other worlds are sinners would be irrelevant, and whether or not they'd ever heard of Christ would be irrelevant, since there was a time when we humans did not know of Christ.
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Originally Posted by Chesterton View Post
The OP's idea is actually addressed by the 4th century Nicene Creed: "I believe in one God...Maker of all things visible and invisible;...And in one Lord Jesus Christ...Begotten of the Father before all worlds...".

So Christianity specifically allows for the fact that there could be other worlds. Whether or not beings in other worlds are sinners would be irrelevant, and whether or not they'd ever heard of Christ would be irrelevant, since there was a time when we humans did not know of Christ.
There was? !! Are you talking about Homo Erectus?
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Old 2nd November 2009, 01:25 PM
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There was? !! Are you talking about Homo Erectus?
Yes. I'm talking about all living things.
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Originally Posted by pgp_protector View Post
If there's intelligent life and the universe is in a fallen state, who paid for their sins ?

Or are the other life forms sin free ?
C.S. Lewis thought an interesting place to start a story was the idea that there is other intelligent life and man alone is fallen.
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I fail to see why God would bother informing humanity if there is other intelligent life, and if it is fallen, since it was and is completely irrelevant to our sinful situation. In light of that, I see no reason why there couldn't be other intelligent life.
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C.S. Lewis thought an interesting place to start a story was the idea that there is other intelligent life and man alone is fallen.
This would mean man alone is being created in God's image.
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Is God physical or spiritual?

If God is spirit (and those who worship him, worship him in spirit), why couldn't alien intelligent life be created in his image?
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This would mean man alone is being created in God's image.
Which presumes that those who sin and those who are made in Gods image are one and the same. Can you justify this? I'll even accept a Biblical argument, though an argument could be made against it (aliens have their own Bible, wherein they are the ones who sinned).
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Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child View Post
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This would mean man alone is being created in God's image.
Which presumes that those who sin and those who are made in Gods image are one and the same. Can you justify this? I'll even accept a Biblical argument, though an argument could be made against it (aliens have their own Bible, wherein they are the ones who sinned).
The One (Jesus) will go forth for Me to be ruler ...His goings forth are from long ago, from the days of eternity ...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world... Mic 5:2, Rev 13:8.

From God’s own perspective, in God’s own realm of spacetime, God’s redemptive work was accomplished even before man’s fall. This meant that God knew beforehand that man would fall even before he fell, and therefore God set His redemptive work in place in His own realm of spacetime to redeem man from the fall when it occurred in our own spacetime.

Consider the fall a problem that God fixed in His own spacetime even before the problem occurred in our own spacetime. This means that mankind was redeemed even before he fell. Mankind was born redeemed.

Christ came to visibly demonstrate in our own spacetime what God had already accomplished for man in God’s own spacetime.

For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed ...but with the precious blood of Christ ...He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake...1 Peter 1:18-20.

The gospel message is about God’s redemption of mankind through Christ which He accomplished even before human spacetime began. The purpose of the gospel message is to let mankind know of this redemption which God accomplished in Christ even before the beginning of our spacetime.

Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ ...in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, but has in due time manifested His word through preaching...Titus 1:1-3.

Our response to this gospel message that is still being preached is to trust God and take Him at His Word so that He may accomplish the purpose for which He created us in the first place, which is to create us in His own image.

Being created in God’s image is only achieved through our submission and obedience to Christ who alone is presently in God’s image and who alone knows how to help us develop that same image.

For he (God) has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation...Col 1:13-15.

The fall makes us aware of the fact that we cannot accomplish God’s image on our own. Any attempt will only result in total failure as the fall demonstrates. We must completely rely on Christ.

The fall therefore reminds us of our utter inability to accomplish God’s image and our utter dependence upon Christ to accomplish it for us.

It is only when we come to this realization and submit our lives to this realization that we will then be in the position to be created in God’s image. The fall brings us to that realization. This is perhaps why Adam wasn’t aware of it before he fell.

So to answer your question:

Since God who does not change is the same everywhere in the universe and sin (rejection of God) is the same everywhere in the universe, then redemption through Christ his Son is the same everywhere in the universe.

For aliens to come to the realization of this redemption in Christ they would first have to fall since a realization of redemption requires that there be a realization of a fall. And it is only when aliens come to this realization and submit their lives to this realization that they will then be in the position to be created in God’s image through their faith in Christ just like the rest of us are.

All this is just my personal view, of course.
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