Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Society > Society > Physical & Life Sciences
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Physical & Life Sciences A forum for physics, biology, chemistry and other physical sciences.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 1st October 2009, 05:40 PM
Wiccan_Child's Avatar
Contributor

21 Gender: Male Faith: Atheist Party: UK-Liberal-Democrats Country: United Kingdom Member For 4 Years Fisherman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 21st March 2005
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 9,749
Blessings: 70,995
My Mood Mellow
Reps: 95,624,435,719,773 (power: 95,624,435,733)
Wiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond repute
Wiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by sk8Joyful View Post
only "parallel" evolution is possible; why do people assume that?

only '2 legs, 2 arms, 2 eyes placed forward looking on the head,
on a central, upright frame' to be a "fellow cognizant being": why do people assume that?

Why do people assume?, to place their own belief-limitations, on GOD as Creator of all intelligent life, in all its myriad varieties...

Might it be better to think that He, having already Blessed every lifeform with 'intelligence' (including such not
acknowledged by some humans); that God quite competently created, & continues creating any intelligent life forms He chooses...

thoughts?
.
If there is a creator god, I'm compelled to believe he works through evolution. Given the variety of life on Earth, it's supremely arrogant of us to imagine all sapient life as humanoid.

I'm inclined to see aliens as more like jellyfish: completely void of anything we might identify with, like a head or even a central nervous system.



I, for one, accept our new cnidarian overlords.
__________________
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone.
- Charles Darwin

"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right."
- Stargate: SG1

What can be asserted without reason, can be denied without reason.
- Anon

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #22  
Old 1st October 2009, 06:12 PM
thaumaturgy's Avatar
Senior Veteran

Gender: Male Married Faith: Atheist Member For 3 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 17th November 2006
Posts: 5,253
Blessings: 47,278
Reps: 57,292,731,263 (power: 57,292,740)
thaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond repute
thaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond reputethaumaturgy has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child View Post
If there is a creator god, I'm compelled to believe he works through evolution. Given the variety of life on Earth, it's supremely arrogant of us to imagine all sapient life as humanoid.

I'm inclined to see aliens as more like jellyfish: completely void of anything we might identify with, like a head or even a central nervous system.



I, for one, accept our new cnidarian overlords.
Personally I think one of the most exciting days in history will be when we find a single celled life form somewhere, anywhere else. I'd be quite happy to see life of any form somewhere else!

Then the coolest turn will be when we find multicellular, non-carbon life somewhere!

Editted to add:
And I too will welcome our Cnidarian overlords. Since they are ultra cool.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 1st October 2009, 06:50 PM
sk8Joyful's Avatar
Contributor

Gender: Female Married Faith: Non-Denominational Member For 4 Years Fisherman
 
Join Date: 23rd August 2005
Posts: 8,939
Blessings: 289,732
My Mood Happy
Reps: 424,342,378,807,920 (power: 424,342,378,820)
sk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond repute
sk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond reputesk8Joyful has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child View Post
If there is a creator god,
I'm compelled to believe he works through evolution.

Given the variety of life on Earth, it's supremely arrogant of us to imagine all sapient life as humanoid.
Evidently, God does create via evolution... displaying these processes exquisitely.
and
God empowered all His creations with sufficient intelligence;
(not only humans, most rebellious against God existing), let alone that/how He is our sole Savior...

Animals have no need, of a Savior in the human sense.

How God made all these, including human progress, processes possible - i am in awe of, & profoundly grateful...
.
__________________



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Last edited by sk8Joyful; 1st October 2009 at 07:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 1st October 2009, 08:44 PM
DoubtingJesus's Avatar
Junior Member

Gender: Male Married Faith: Atheist Party: US-Democrat Country: United States
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 16th September 2009
Posts: 70
Blessings: 2,746
My Mood Doubtful
Reps: 14,408,458,445 (power: 14,408,459)
DoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond repute
DoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond reputeDoubtingJesus has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by sk8Joyful View Post
Evidently, God does create via evolution... displaying these processes exquisitely.

.
If God does work through evolution, then he is a cruel and unjust god.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 1st October 2009, 09:11 PM
LifeToTheFullest!'s Avatar
Take the red pill

39 Gender: Male Faith: Agnostic Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 12th May 2004
Posts: 2,246
Blessings: 41,669
Reps: 2,768,745,801,256 (power: 2,768,745,809)
LifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond repute
LifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond reputeLifeToTheFullest! has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
Many say life on other planets would be a problem for Christians.
I don't think so.
I'd be disappointed to find our Lord didn't make life elsewhere.

OTOH, it's a must for evolutionists.
There must be life elsewhere for them.

Thoughts?
I have a solid grasp on theory of evolution through natural selection, and I can't think of any reason why "there must be life elsewhere." There are literally billions of stars, with trillions of planets, to think that conditions on just one star system may in fact be conducive to life evolving is reasonable, even probable in my opinion.

I do think it presents some interesting problems for the theologist however. If Jesus came to die one for the sin of humanity, where would that leave them. I suppose he could have created a new life system somewhere else in the universe, seeing as he so dreadfully messed up with this one (according to theologists).

I would be interested to hear why the OP believes it to be a must for ToE.
__________________
We are surrounded by endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, and it is no accident, but the direct consequence of evolution by non-random natural selection - the only game in town, the greatest show on Earth. ~R.D.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 2nd October 2009, 10:29 PM
SimplyNothing's Avatar
Advocate

Gender: Male Faith: Christian Party: CA-Greens Country: Canada Member For 3 Years Watchman
 
Join Date: 29th March 2006
Location: Back in Edmonton
Posts: 1,033
Blessings: 37,016
Reps: 2,984,041,335 (power: 2,984,046)
SimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond repute
SimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond reputeSimplyNothing has a reputation beyond repute
If God does work through evolution, then he is a cruel and unjust god.
I'd almost agree.

Evolution is entirely about elimination of the weak to make way for the strong. Doesn't sound like God to me.

Personally I think one of the most exciting days in history will be when we find a single celled life form somewhere, anywhere else. I'd be quite happy to see life of any form somewhere else!

Then the coolest turn will be when we find multicellular, non-carbon life somewhere!
I'll bet money they're gonna find single-celled life on Europa.

I'm more excited for when we discover how to utilize electrogravitics for space travel, if that should ever happen.
__________________
Come... let us Reason Together
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 2nd October 2009, 10:34 PM
AV1611VET's Avatar
SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

55 Married Faith: Baptist Country: United States Member For 3 Years Seraphim
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 18th June 2006
Location: The Bermuda Rectangle
Posts: 1,047,466
Blessings: 15,982,673
My Mood Cool
Reps: 233,049,709,482,095,776 (power: 233,049,709,483,146)
AV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond repute
AV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by SimplyNothing View Post
Evolution is entirely about elimination of the weak to make way for the strong. Doesn't sound like God to me.
Evolution also says we got here via copying errors.

We're supposedly mutants made in the likeness and image of God.

Doesn't sound like God to me, either.
__________________
GOD DID IT --- CASE CLOSED
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 3rd October 2009, 01:41 AM
Boss_BlueAngels's Avatar
Life is better when you're flying upside down.

26 Gender: Male Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 4 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 19th July 2005
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,440
Blessings: 3,150
My Mood Happy
Blog Entries: 3
Reps: 7,948,471,819 (power: 7,948,478)
Boss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond repute
Boss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond reputeBoss_BlueAngels has a reputation beyond repute
Intersting conversation going on here. I really don't know what to believe about their being (any) life on other planets. But the thing that really gets me is what if we DID know one way or another? How would life here change if it was somehow conclusively proven that there was NO life anyplace else in the universe? Or vise versa, what if we knew there was life all over the universe?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
If you have flown, perhaps you can understand the love a pilot develops for flight. It is much the same emotion a man feels for a woman, or a wife for her husband.
— Louise Thaden

The highest art form of all is a human being in control of himself and his airplane in flight, urging the spirit of a machine to match his own.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 3rd October 2009, 08:57 AM
AV1611VET's Avatar
SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

55 Married Faith: Baptist Country: United States Member For 3 Years Seraphim
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 18th June 2006
Location: The Bermuda Rectangle
Posts: 1,047,466
Blessings: 15,982,673
My Mood Cool
Reps: 233,049,709,482,095,776 (power: 233,049,709,483,146)
AV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond repute
AV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond reputeAV1611VET has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Boss_BlueAngels View Post
Or vise versa, what if we knew there was life all over the universe?
We do know that --- we have it in Writing.

This universe is teeming with life from one end to the other.
__________________
GOD DID IT --- CASE CLOSED
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 3rd October 2009, 10:31 AM
Wiccan_Child's Avatar
Contributor

21 Gender: Male Faith: Atheist Party: UK-Liberal-Democrats Country: United Kingdom Member For 4 Years Fisherman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 21st March 2005
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 9,749
Blessings: 70,995
My Mood Mellow
Reps: 95,624,435,719,773 (power: 95,624,435,733)
Wiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond repute
Wiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond reputeWiccan_Child has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by SimplyNothing View Post
I'd almost agree.

Evolution is entirely about elimination of the weak to make way for the strong. Doesn't sound like God to me.
Actually, evolution is entirely about adaptive variation. That organisms die is a consequence of a harsh environment; evolution doesn't require that organisms die, but, since they do, it adapts around this inevitable fact.

Just saying .
__________________
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone.
- Charles Darwin

"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right."
- Stargate: SG1

What can be asserted without reason, can be denied without reason.
- Anon

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to Physical & Life Sciences

Thread Tools
Display Modes



 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:49 PM.


vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007 - 2008, PixelFX Studios