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Prophetic Time.

No man knows the day or hour, only Yahwah knows. This is a theory.
1260+777=2037-70=1967.
1290+777=2067-2000=67.
1335+777=2112.
1260~5= 252. 1290~5=258. 1335~5=267. 252+258+267=777.
2012/2014 ??
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Daniel 12 (New International Version)

Daniel 12
The End Times

1 "At that time Michael, the great prince(leader/minister) who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.(Last ressurection) 3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others,(Two Witnesses) one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?"

7 The man clothed in linen, (Yahshua) who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time.(Literally, three and a half) When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, [and]all these things will be completed." 3500 years (End of the thousand years)

8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, "My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?"

9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. (First ressurection)

13 "As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."


Daniel 8:12. Because of rebellion, the host of the saints and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?"

14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
167 BC minus 2300 equals 2133

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Daniel 8:12. Because of rebellion, the host of the saints and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, "How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?"

14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
167 BC minus 2300 equals 2133

In 167 BC the temple was taken over by the Kabbalistic Jews.
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So where are you going with this and what are your conclusions so far?
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For those interested in seeing the mathematical precision of prophecy I would HIGHLY recommend reading "The False Prophet" by Ellis Skolfield. It is free and available at beholdthebeast.com and fishouseministries.com as a pdf. Below is the prophecies of Israel returning home and regaining Jerusalem.

Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

God gives Ezekiel a day for a year in prophecy. Let's see where else this applies.

Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

1290 days are given here. So by Ezekiel 4:6 we should view them as years. So Daniel was told that there would be 1290 "days" from the time sacrafices were taken away until the abomination of desolation was to be set up.

Daniel used a lunar calendar though and we use a solar calendar so we need to convert. 1290 lunar years is 1271.5 solar years. 586BC was the year that the rest of the Jews were taken into captivity. However according to scripture it was three years later until the daily sacrafices were stopped. So we start counting at 583BC.

583BC + 1271.5= 688.5AD. Remember this date. It is the date Daniel says that the abomination of desolation would be set up.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

As Jewish idioms go time, times, and the dividing of time = 2.5 not 3.5.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The original greek word (hemera) translated here as day does not always mean day. It is also used as a word for time. Strong's concordance is given here.

hemera-4) used of time in general

Therefore 2Pe 3:8 could also be read,"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one time [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one time.

Why is that important? Well let's apply it to the time, times, and the dividing of time in Daniel. Remember as Jewish sayings are understood it equals 2.5. So 2.5 multiplied by 1000 equals 2500 years. 552BC was the year this prophecy was given.So we will count from there. 552BC + 2500 = 1948AD. Remember this date.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.
So with our understanding of time we will count from when this prophecy is given.
533BC was the year this prophecy was given so we will count from there. 533BC + 2500 = 1967AD. Remember this date.

Let us turn to the seventy weeks now.

Dan 9:24 ¶ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

So the prophecy says that from the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah comes to fulfill prophecy will be 69 weeks or 483 days. Remember days = years. We know for a fact days doesn't mean days here because Jesus didn't show up for hundreds of years after the decree came down. Also remember we have to convert from lunar to solar years so our calendars will match. 483 lunar years converts to 476 solar years. 444Bc is the year that Artaxerxes gave the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. So 444BC + 476 = 32AD. Remember this date.

Let us review the first seven weeks. 7 weeks = 49 days. 49 lunar years converts to 48 solar years. 444BC + 48.3 = 395.7BC. This is the year that the last book of the Old Testament was written. Why does that matter? "...to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Prophecy was sealed up until Jesus came on the scene. This 400 year gap cause great lamentation in Israel.

The last week of Daniel is really what gets people confused. They think it is to be a seven year tribulation in the future. But Jewish time was reckoned differently in Daniel's day. So if the 70th Week isn’t about a Seven-Year Great Tribulation,
what is it actually about?

The Levitical Code
1st: One Seven (a shavua) of years.
2nd: Seven sevens (shavua) of years.
3rd: One unique Jubilee (shavua) year with 360 Sabbaths.

Daniel’s 70 Weeks
1st: Seven sevens of years, 7 Shavuim.
2nd: 62 more sevens of years, 62 Shavuim.
3rd: One unique Shavua with 360 Sabbaths.

The seventieth week was distinguished in Daniel with the word Shavua instead of Shavuim. So according to Levitical Code this last week would be 7 multiplied by 360. 7 * 360 = 2520 lunar years. 2520 lunar converts to 2484 solar years. Since the seventieth week was left out concerning the decree to rebuild Jerusalem we will count from the year the prophecy came down. 536BC was the year of this prophecy. 536BC + 2484 = 1948AD. Remember this date.

Now let's turn to Revelations.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Here we read that the court outside the temple is given unto the Gentiles. And that they would tread underfoot Jerusalem for 42 months. Since John used a solar calendar we don't need to convert to solar years. A solar month is 30.44 days. So 42 multiplied by 30.44 = 1278.5

Since this scripture is talking about the abomination of desolation, as we will see later, that is to be set up we will use 688.5BC, as established in Daniel, as a starting point. 688.5AD + 1278.5 = 1967AD. Remember this date.

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Who are the two witnesses?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Where have we heard candlesticks and olive trees before?

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in My right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Romans 11:17 And if some of the [Jewish] branches be broken off, and thou [the Gentile church], being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

Romans 11:24 For if thou [the Gentiles] wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree [the Jews]: how much more shall these [the Jews], which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Here we read that the two witnesses are two churches. Jewish and Gentile. They will be given power to prophecy 1260 days. Days = Years in prophecy so let's see what we get. 688.5AD + 1260 = 1948AD

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

As of 1948 the Jewish people are no longer witnessing to other nations because they are in their own country.So 688AD + 1260 = 1948AD.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

We read that a place is prepared for the woman (Israel). The understanding of times comes into play here again. 724BC was the year the Jews were originally taken into captivity. 724BC + 2500 = 1776. This is the year that the place is prepared for the woman. Remember this date.
Let's review. Scripture says that the Jewish people will become a nation again.(1948AD) That the time of the Gentiles would be over and Jerusalem would return to the Jews. (1967AD) That the abomination of desolation would be set up in the court of the Gentiles.(688AD) And that a place would be prepared for Israel. (1776)

1948- Israel became a nation again.

1967- Israel regained Jerusalem in the six-day war.

688- Dome of the Rock was constructed in honor of Muhammad. Inside is a plaque that reads, "Far be it from His transcendent majesty that God should have a son." What does the Bible say about such an attitude? 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Notice in Revelations that the court of the gentiles was to be left out. Why? It is given unto the gentiles. It happens that the dome of the Rock is constructed in the court of the gentiles.

1776- United States of America declared her independence and now hosts a Jewish population of millions. Effectively shielding them from Muhammad's religion which states in it's hadith, "'The Hour [of Resurrection] will not arrive until you fight the Jews and the rock and the tree will say: O Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
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and 1335... where does that fit in?
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this is very interesting...would you like a separate thread just to discuss these dates?
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For those interested in seeing the mathematical precision of prophecy I would HIGHLY recommend reading "The False Prophet" by Ellis Skolfield. It is free and available at beholdthebeast.com and fishouseministries.com as a pdf. Below is the prophecies of Israel returning home and regaining Jerusalem.

Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

God gives Ezekiel a day for a year in prophecy. Let's see where else this applies.

Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

1290 days are given here. So by Ezekiel 4:6 we should view them as years. So Daniel was told that there would be 1290 "days" from the time sacrafices were taken away until the abomination of desolation was to be set up.

Daniel used a lunar calendar though and we use a solar calendar so we need to convert. 1290 lunar years is 1271.5 solar years. 586BC was the year that the rest of the Jews were taken into captivity. However according to scripture it was three years later until the daily sacrafices were stopped. So we start counting at 583BC.

583BC + 1271.5= 688.5AD. Remember this date. It is the date Daniel says that the abomination of desolation would be set up.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

As Jewish idioms go time, times, and the dividing of time = 2.5 not 3.5.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The original greek word (hemera) translated here as day does not always mean day. It is also used as a word for time. Strong's concordance is given here.

hemera-4) used of time in general

Therefore 2Pe 3:8 could also be read,"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one time [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one time.

Why is that important? Well let's apply it to the time, times, and the dividing of time in Daniel. Remember as Jewish sayings are understood it equals 2.5. So 2.5 multiplied by 1000 equals 2500 years. 552BC was the year this prophecy was given.So we will count from there. 552BC + 2500 = 1948AD. Remember this date.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.
So with our understanding of time we will count from when this prophecy is given.
533BC was the year this prophecy was given so we will count from there. 533BC + 2500 = 1967AD. Remember this date.

Let us turn to the seventy weeks now.

Dan 9:24 ¶ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

So the prophecy says that from the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the Messiah comes to fulfill prophecy will be 69 weeks or 483 days. Remember days = years. We know for a fact days doesn't mean days here because Jesus didn't show up for hundreds of years after the decree came down. Also remember we have to convert from lunar to solar years so our calendars will match. 483 lunar years converts to 476 solar years. 444Bc is the year that Artaxerxes gave the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. So 444BC + 476 = 32AD. Remember this date.

Let us review the first seven weeks. 7 weeks = 49 days. 49 lunar years converts to 48 solar years. 444BC + 48.3 = 395.7BC. This is the year that the last book of the Old Testament was written. Why does that matter? "...to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Prophecy was sealed up until Jesus came on the scene. This 400 year gap cause great lamentation in Israel.

The last week of Daniel is really what gets people confused. They think it is to be a seven year tribulation in the future. But Jewish time was reckoned differently in Daniel's day. So if the 70th Week isn’t about a Seven-Year Great Tribulation,
what is it actually about?

The Levitical Code
1st: One Seven (a shavua) of years.
2nd: Seven sevens (shavua) of years.
3rd: One unique Jubilee (shavua) year with 360 Sabbaths.

Daniel’s 70 Weeks
1st: Seven sevens of years, 7 Shavuim.
2nd: 62 more sevens of years, 62 Shavuim.
3rd: One unique Shavua with 360 Sabbaths.

The seventieth week was distinguished in Daniel with the word Shavua instead of Shavuim. So according to Levitical Code this last week would be 7 multiplied by 360. 7 * 360 = 2520 lunar years. 2520 lunar converts to 2484 solar years. Since the seventieth week was left out concerning the decree to rebuild Jerusalem we will count from the year the prophecy came down. 536BC was the year of this prophecy. 536BC + 2484 = 1948AD. Remember this date.

Now let's turn to Revelations.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Here we read that the court outside the temple is given unto the Gentiles. And that they would tread underfoot Jerusalem for 42 months. Since John used a solar calendar we don't need to convert to solar years. A solar month is 30.44 days. So 42 multiplied by 30.44 = 1278.5

Since this scripture is talking about the abomination of desolation, as we will see later, that is to be set up we will use 688.5BC, as established in Daniel, as a starting point. 688.5AD + 1278.5 = 1967AD. Remember this date.

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Who are the two witnesses?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Where have we heard candlesticks and olive trees before?

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in My right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Romans 11:17 And if some of the [Jewish] branches be broken off, and thou [the Gentile church], being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

Romans 11:24 For if thou [the Gentiles] wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree [the Jews]: how much more shall these [the Jews], which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Here we read that the two witnesses are two churches. Jewish and Gentile. They will be given power to prophecy 1260 days. Days = Years in prophecy so let's see what we get. 688.5AD + 1260 = 1948AD

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

As of 1948 the Jewish people are no longer witnessing to other nations because they are in their own country.So 688AD + 1260 = 1948AD.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

We read that a place is prepared for the woman (Israel). The understanding of times comes into play here again. 724BC was the year the Jews were originally taken into captivity. 724BC + 2500 = 1776. This is the year that the place is prepared for the woman. Remember this date.
Let's review. Scripture says that the Jewish people will become a nation again.(1948AD) That the time of the Gentiles would be over and Jerusalem would return to the Jews. (1967AD) That the abomination of desolation would be set up in the court of the Gentiles.(688AD) And that a place would be prepared for Israel. (1776)

1948- Israel became a nation again.

1967- Israel regained Jerusalem in the six-day war.

688- Dome of the Rock was constructed in honor of Muhammad. Inside is a plaque that reads, "Far be it from His transcendent majesty that God should have a son." What does the Bible say about such an attitude? 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Notice in Revelations that the court of the gentiles was to be left out. Why? It is given unto the gentiles. It happens that the dome of the Rock is constructed in the court of the gentiles.

1776- United States of America declared her independence and now hosts a Jewish population of millions. Effectively shielding them from Muhammad's religion which states in it's hadith, "'The Hour [of Resurrection] will not arrive until you fight the Jews and the rock and the tree will say: O Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
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and 1335... where does that fit in?
The reason for this conversation is because Christians believe that it can be any day now.
2 Peter 3:4
They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Habakkuk 2:3
For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

Christians should perpetuate this message for future generations of Christians. This is an effort to keep future generations from giving up while they wait. Do you see the importance of this message?
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and 1335... where does that fit in?
The numbers do not fit our time because there is a missing element, they are part of a riddle in that parable. What is truly important is not the correctness of the theory, but that Christians do not give up during the wait.

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For those interested in seeing the mathematical precision of prophecy I would HIGHLY recommend reading "The False Prophet" by Ellis Skolfield. It is free and available at beholdthebeast.com and fishouseministries.com as a pdf. Below is the prophecies of Israel returning home and regaining Jerusalem.
Thanks for taking an interest in this post. Lets try to stay focused on this one thread though.
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