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27th September 2009, 01:03 AM
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27th September 2009, 01:37 AM
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If you kick people out because they break the rules then you're going to have a REAL empty church
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27th September 2009, 01:41 AM
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27th September 2009, 02:08 AM
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Reps: 14,293,166,097,171,188 (power: 14,293,166,097,182) | | | Yeah, let's kick out all the people you think sin, on any level at all... that makes sense right? Because Jesus only welcomed non-sinners to God. (... sarcasm, obviously)
Fact is, the church would be kinda empty without sinners.
(Not that I think pre-marital sex is a sin. *ducks* -- but if you do, it still doesn't pan out. Church is more for sinners than it is for the pure of heart -- and even the so-called "pure of heart" sin. No sin is greater than any other, with the exception of good old blasphemy)
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27th September 2009, 02:23 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by Autumnleaf The Bible says its wrong right?
If we are not sinless, then we still have some unrepentant sin. So unless you want to just empty out the church...
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27th September 2009, 02:48 AM
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Reps: 11,118,139,750,388,280 (power: 11,118,139,750,396) | | | No offense guys, but all these replies are just ridiculous. Especially the ones coming from those with Christian icons. I kind of expect them to know a little better about their own faith. But what do I expect? So called Christians who don't even know the difference between the OT and the NT. But that's another story.....
If you know your Bible at all, there are in fact precedents to discipline people by disfellowshipping from your community, association, congregation etc.
Jesus refers to it (not allowing certain people inside your home) and Paul practiced it (disfellowshipping). However, these forms of discipline are not for just anybody that sinned. Because obviously the churches would be empty.
This form of discipline is for anyone engaging in open sin, contrary to the scriptures, and refusing to repent of it. This discipline is for deliberate, habitual, unrepentant sin.
So yes, there are Biblical precedents for it. And in fact, in such communities as Jehovah's Witnesses or the Amish, you would be disfellowshipped if you refused to acknowledge your sin and turn away from it. Unrepentant fornication for them would be grounds for such an action.
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Reps: 14,293,166,097,171,188 (power: 14,293,166,097,182) | | | Who said it was unrepentant? OP didn't specify.
That being said, it wouldn't make a lick of difference to me. I'm just saying. Operation on assumptions.
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27th September 2009, 03:01 AM
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Reps: 10,219,569,387,278,330 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Autumnleaf The Bible says its wrong right?
Maybe if people stopped obsessing over kicking people OUT of church, and rather worried more about how to make people feel accepted and supported IN church, maybe, just maybe, rates of Church attendance wouldn't be plummeting and rates of atheism wouldn't be climbing.
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27th September 2009, 03:03 AM
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Reps: 11,118,139,750,388,280 (power: 11,118,139,750,396) | | Originally Posted by BeyondAshes Who said it was unrepentant? OP didn't specify.
That being said, it wouldn't make a lick of difference to me. I'm just saying. Operation on assumptions.
Yes, you are correct when you say that the OP didn't mention "unrepentant". However, to answer the OP's question, I had to mention that. Because "unrepentant" is the Biblical condition for a person's sin that would qualify them to be "kicked out of the church". Which is what the OP enquired about.
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27th September 2009, 04:12 AM
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Reps: 21,124,454,843,429,512 (power: 21,124,454,843,460) | | Originally Posted by BlackSabb Yes, you are correct when you say that the OP didn't mention "unrepentant". However, to answer the OP's question, I had to mention that. Because "unrepentant" is the Biblical condition for a person's sin that would qualify them to be "kicked out of the church". Which is what the OP enquired about.
However, you didn´t have to call answers to the OP as it read "ridiculous".
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