how could osteen critics call themselves christians who claim he preaches false doctrine and yet judge someone they dont know? isnt that a contradiction?
Not at all. I've been to his church and listened to his false teaching. I am not judging him. That is God's job, however, I can most certainly judge his teachings and they are nothing more than watered down Christianity.
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Not at all. I've been to his church and listened to his false teaching. I am not judging him. That is God's job, however, I can most certainly judge his teachings and they are nothing more than watered down Christianity.
damn this is what Im talking about though. why cant christians and non-believers just look at him in the most positive light? after all, everything he utters is positive. just cause he doesnt talk about sin and hell doesnt mean he's a false prophet. my mom says he's a genuine follower of God, and believe me my mom is as spiritual as you can get. she says he's genuine cause she looks at him positively, not negatively.
by the way, look forward to his next book It's Your Time.
Who? What man is this and what doctrine/s is he espousing? Where does he get his authority and why should I listen to him?
I'm failing to see how this is persecution. Is this man getting people's money, time, and attention to spread his views without hindrance? Has he had his rights taken away, violated, his life threatened?
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Just because a man speaks of good things and positive words that does not mean He went to the Lord to recieve of Him a message. When many people follow one man it makes me wonder? The word of the Lord is sharper than a two edged sword, it can hurt.
If I always speak nice flowery words does it cause any one to look at thier evil ways?
Jerimiah had some words from God about those who say peace peace all is peace:
Jer 23:21 ¶ I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jer 23:23 ¶ [Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jer 23:26 How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jer 23:30 ¶ Therefore, behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:33 ¶ And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What [is] the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:34 And [as for] the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.
Jer 23:35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
Jer 23:37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
Do his words cause ones to turn from thier evil ways? When I see multiple thousands in the stands of a stadium with many smiles and not tears I have to wonder.
Who? What man is this and what doctrine/s is he espousing? Where does he get his authority and why should I listen to him?
I'm failing to see how this is persecution. Is this man getting people's money, time, and attention to spread his views without hindrance? Has he had his rights taken away, violated, his life threatened?
I thought it suits this section cause he gets persecuted for being a genuine follower of Christ.
and Jeffz, if Joel really is a conman, dont you think his church would lose attendance? he cant deceive thousands of people like that year after year. the fact that his church has thrived this long proves he's a genuine follower of Christ.
why is it that anyone who does good tries to be put down. people even think usain bolt took steroids cause he's on top - no it was all hard work.
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2 Timothy 4:2-4
2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Joel Osteen is a false teacher. He preaches a prosperity gospel and therefore, what itchy ears want to hear. He does not preach the message of the bible but one of his own making.
No one is persecuting him but merely showing the error of his teaching. Joel serves two masters.
__________________ If two friends ask you to judge a dispute, don't accept, because you will lose one friend; on the other hand, if two strangers come with the same request, accept because you will gain one friend. Augustine
2 Timothy 4:2-4
2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Joel Osteen is a false teacher. He preaches a prosperity gospel and therefore, what itchy ears want to hear. He does not preach the message of the bible but one of his own making.
No one is persecuting him but merely showing the error of his teaching. Joel serves two masters.
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Ive heard this a million times. whatever though, let God be the judge.
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Ive heard this a million times. whatever though, let God be the judge.
God is the judge on his soul not me but I am biblically commanded to discern and rebuke false teachers.
If you have heard this a million times then why do you doubt it?
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