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From a completely objective standpoint OP, No Adam and Eve weren't aliens who crashed here. But, I would agree with you that if you refined your story you would be able to sell it to a lot of gullible people. Just look at scientology (sorry to all the scientologists...)
Now, in general I want to know which is it going to be? The bible has no merit, or it has some merit?
You can't say the bible is trite, but then use parts of the bible you assume to prove a point against it. What kind of sense does that make?
If you don't believe any of the bible story, then Adam and Eve shouldn't even exist to you in the first place.
On the other hand, if you do believe the bible as a whole has some merit to it, then it is impossible for you to determine which part has merit, as ~90% of the bible has not happened in anyone's generation alive today. Therefore you cant denounce the bible if you believe it to have that merit.
When these little "Christianity is stupid" arguments come it its kind of telling of how intelligent that person really is. What learned person does not take the time to research something for themselves, with an open mind? Instead, one would rather dismiss something one does not agree with. I think thats the funnies part.
"Oh, but I have researched the bible and it is garbage... nothing but sun worship and pagan rituals written men hundreds, even thousands of years ago. Anyway, science has proven plenty of stuff I would never know how to reproduce in the lab myself [/sarcasm]."
You guys can have your gods of science (there are so many, how can you keep up...), I will worship my God who created everything.
By the way.. I have met some HIGHLY LOGICAL and WISE atheists and agnostics. I say wise because even though they dont believe in a deity, or haven't decided, they don't troll around meticulously inspecting other theist's comments. Some actually understand theism and what it stands for, they just don't believe in it -- and I can respect that much more than trying to shove how intellectually inferior spirituality is. You all don't like it when we "shove Christianity down your throats," so don't do it to anyone else...
lol i was thinking of scientists as your figurative gods, as many of you worship them (believing anything they say even though you have not proven it yourself in the lab).
The Bible calls the god that scientists worship:
Originally Posted by Daniel 11:38a
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:
Notice in the context, that it is the same god that the Antichrist will worship in the end times.
lol i was thinking of scientists as your figurative gods, as many of you worship them (believing anything they say even though you have not proven it yourself in the lab).
HOWEVER, I guess Assyrian just gave the other side (literal) god of science, which WAS and in different covert ways STILL worshiped by many.
So, can we put that argument to rest, or do we have to supply more evidence for you? At the very least Assyrian gave you exactly what you wanted -- a name of a science god. I gave you the philosophical/spiritual aspect.
No disrespect, no ill will
Let's put it to rest when this old canard is dead and buried. "Evolutionists" and other scientifically minded people don't look to scientists as keepers of the Truth(TM). Instead, we rely on the scientific method - which all scientists follow - to make sure scientists conduct proper science, and when they're wrong, other scientists call them on it. There is no gods of science other than the purely religious ones, and few if any scientists or scientifically minded people follow those.
What learned person does not take the time to research something for themselves, with an open mind? Instead, one would rather dismiss something one does not agree with. I think thats the funnies part.
So have you researched the theory of evolution with an open mind? Do you accept the theory of evolution or dismiss it because you don’t agree with it?
I will worship my God who created everything.
Is that a reasonable position to take? If so, then before you can claim that your God created anything you would first need to show that your God is even real. So could you please prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real?
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:
Notice in the context, that it is the same god that the Antichrist will worship in the end times.
I did look at the context, we find the same word translated forces used 7 times in the chapter.
Dan 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
Dan 11:7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:
Dan 11:10 But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.
Dan 11:19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
What do you think AV1691VET is this Daniel talking about a scientist's god of electromagnetic forces or the soldier's god of military forces and fortresses? The king sound kind of militaristic to me.
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