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24th September 2009, 09:20 AM
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Reps: 220,767,795,497,546 (power: 220,767,795,500) | | | Pepsi Marketing & Evangelism - A Comparison I stumbled upon this article on the net. Should Churches Pay Taxes (click to read )
It says, "“The State of Church Giving Through 1998″ tracked a composite group of 30 mainline Protestant and evangelical denominations with 29.3 million members representing 100,000 U.S. congregations out of a total 350,000 . . . The denominations received $17.2 billion in contributions in 1998 . . .
In this ten years the collection would certainly have doubled from 1998. so we are looking at atleast $ 30 billion collections annually.
Now compare that to the Pepsi global nos (click to read).
Pepsi had a global turnover of $11.8 Billion and net income of $1.58 billions.
But Pepsi has penetrated the innermost parts of India, I am sure they are everywhere on the planet. No matter how small your village or neighborhood is, pepsi I am sure is bound to be there around the corner.
Now my question is: with just $11.8 Billion dollars "if Pepsi can reach every nook and corner of this planet with their products, with so many high paid employees, how much more can we achieve with $30 billion in an year and millions of volunteers"
Why are we still stuck with so many places where people have never heard the Gospel?
(Remember this figure is only for 30 mainline evangelical and protestant denominations) If we add other non-protestant denominations the figure will be enormous.
Lets try to figure out the root problems and come up with innovative ideas.
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24th September 2009, 10:04 AM
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24th September 2009, 10:18 AM
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Reps: 220,767,795,497,546 (power: 220,767,795,500) | | Originally Posted by Yekcidmij Are you suggesting that christians should advertise like pepsi?
I am not suggesting anything here. I am just astonished that the body of Christ has almost $ 100 billion every year. 80-90% of which I assume will be spent in duplication. Every church wants an auditorium, bible college, multiple branches, cars, buses, etc etc.
Yekcidmij, I have never come across a church, who would be ready to give their auditoriums or meeting halls to any other church with similar doctrines in the city. For each has insecurity about the others, lack of trust.
My suggestion here is how can we do things differently so that we can achieve things faster and more efficiently.
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24th September 2009, 06:25 PM
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25th September 2009, 01:54 AM
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Reps: 220,767,795,497,546 (power: 220,767,795,500) | | Originally Posted by John1032 Ah, the reason why Pepsi has pentrated into the deepest part of India is because their multilevel marketing is better than Christianity, and in both cases it has all been about the big dollars. Our own backyard is a smorgas board, and 80% of us talk the talk, but don't walk the talk---me included. 
Unfortunately yes. you won't believe this John. Here in the place where I live, the state government is a little hostile towards Evangelism. So arranging a crusade in public places/ grounds is very difficult. So we were having our crusades at a Methodist church ground (my church is a non-denominational one). Guess what. The local officials of this church have increased the rent by 10 times last year. Now they are charging us 10 times what they charged us last year. They are making it much more difficult than the hostile government.  funny isn't it.
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25th September 2009, 04:45 AM
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Reps: 53,626,237,180,129 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by hosanna2009 Unfortunately yes. you won't believe this John. Here in the place where I live, the state government is a little hostile towards Evangelism. So arranging a crusade in public places/ grounds is very difficult. So we were having our crusades at a Methodist church ground (my church is a non-denominational one). Guess what. The local officials of this church have increased the rent by 10 times last year. Now they are charging us 10 times what they charged us last year. They are making it much more difficult than the hostile government.  funny isn't it.
Yes H, there is a lot of funny things going these days, and I shake my head in disbelief of some of things that I have seen over the last few years in my country. Some churches have become a business, more so than being a feeding and tending centre of love. I do pray that our Messiah will get on the case of that church in your country, because HIS WORD does say: "freely receive, freely give".
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25th September 2009, 05:47 AM
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Reps: 220,767,795,497,546 (power: 220,767,795,500) | | Originally Posted by John1032 Yes H, there is a lot of funny things going these days, and I shake my head in disbelief of some of things that I have seen over the last few years in my country. Some churches have become a business, more so than being a feeding and tending centre of love. I do pray that our Messiah will get on the case of that church in your country, because HIS WORD does say: "freely receive, freely give".   Rightly said John.
I think some Non-denominational Church leader should volunteer and open their infrastructure for other atleast non-denominational churches. Lets Synergize the Infrastructures and every resource that churches have and lets start doing the actual work, carrying out the Great Commission.
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26th September 2009, 03:58 AM
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Reps: 53,626,237,180,129 (power: 0) | | Ah mate, it's really hard, particularly when you see many of these large churches who preach a false gospel, who rake in so much money, like one church I know that was in the news the other night, of receiving over $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 a year in tithes and can only show a large wonderful looking church and thousands of seduced and deceived Christians with some defence in where they spend their $3-4M. | 
26th September 2009, 06:01 AM
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Reps: 220,767,795,497,546 (power: 220,767,795,500) | | | Right Beginning Wrong End Originally Posted by John1032 Ah mate, it's really hard, particularly when you see many of these large churches who preach a false gospel, who rake in so much money, like one church I know that was in the news the other night, of receiving over $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 a year in tithes and can only show a large wonderful looking church and thousands of seduced and deceived Christians with some defence in where they spend their $3-4M. 
Wow.. you know if you put it in bank this, $3-4 million and with the interest earned every month, you can support 400 pastors royally in India (by royally I mean, we can give them double the support money that they normally get to take care of their needs). Imagine, even if this 400 pastors bring 2 souls every month to Christ, that could be almost 10,000 new souls added to the Kingdom in one year. Imagine.
You know John, they start with the zeal and hunger but the moment big money comes in, the only priority they have is building properties on their name. Now while preaching and motivating the Church on sundays, they will say that the Lord might come tonight, what is the use of all the money that you are hoarding, but, they themselves don't believe it. For they are the ones who are not optimally utilizing the money that people have entrusted to them for the Kingdom's work.
The talents parable I think is applicable more to the Churches than to the believers.
Ed
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26th September 2009, 04:34 PM
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Religion doesnt meet any real need, even mainline protestant evangelical Christianity. Many people sitting in western churches have never been born again, never had an experience with the risen Christ. And religion doesnt care as long as you meet the outward religious requirements, turn up on Sunday and pay your tithe.
People need to be reconciled to God through Jesus, they dont need to become members of a religious club. Jesus and religion always seem to have been a little bit incompatible.
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