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25th September 2009, 11:49 AM
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Reps: 1,124,203,120,182,954 (power: 1,124,203,120,192) | | Originally Posted by brinny  If we are gonna assume, i'll go ahead and assume you didn't research very well and/or just made up that you did.
I'm sure I put more effort into my research than the OP did. 
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25th September 2009, 11:52 AM
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should i assume you did not make it up that you researched?
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
25th September 2009, 11:54 AM
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~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
25th September 2009, 12:03 PM
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Reps: 5,722,384,932,385,373 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by brinny
I read it and I watched it, and I saw no indoctrination there. Beck appears to be off his meds. Do republicans really like Beck's "chicken little" journalistic approach? Basically, he is trying to debate with a woman who is presenting information to children. Although the numbers the lady give seem to be off, (and we dont know what she is using as a reference) nothing she said was very far from off. Remember, this is a video designed for kids, so it is vague.
Another manufactured outrage thread. |
25th September 2009, 12:32 PM
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So, you should be able to say what school it was.
No, the OP didn't make it that the story exists, but Horowitz and Beck may very well be misrepresenting the facts which the OP presents uncritically.
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25th September 2009, 12:39 PM
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In case you weren’t reading the New York Times front page today, we wanted to point you to an especially disturbing story. The Times wrote about The Story of Stuff, “a 20-minute video about the effects of human consumption, [which] has become a sleeper hit in classrooms across the nation.” What classrooms? Very likely the school your child attends, since over 7,000 American schools or churches have ordered the DVD. The Story of Stuff highlights the very extreme left’s Greenpeace view of America. Essentially it tells the story of how America is not a nation to be proud of, and in fact, your child should be ashamed for living in it. For example: after implying that the radios for sale in Radio Shack are assembled by 15 year olds in Mexico, and by purchasing one, you contribute to the exploitation of the third world and the eventual end of the Earth, the film’s creator and narrator Annie Leonard says: So MY country’s response to this limitation is simply to go take somebody else’s. THIS is the third world. Which SOME would say, is another word for our stuff that somehow got on somebody else’s land. So what does that look like? The same thing, trashing the place. (capitalized emphasis ours)
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I watched it also.
Anyone who is honest about the video would admit it has a real political agenda and there is no balance to the views it portrays as facts. I even applaud some of the attention it draws to rabid consumerism, but even though I agree things should be built to last and there are things we could do better to address some of the throw away products we use, the one sided agenda needs to be re-edited to more of a neutral position.
Watch this and Hate yourself and America!
The film definitely needs to retract the propaganda lies it states and only use facts if it to be used to teach our kids.
Definite indoctrination.
I won’t be holding my breath for witnessing any apologies from those who ridiculed others on this thread
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25th September 2009, 12:40 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day So, you should be able to say what school it was.
No, the OP didn't make it that the story exists, but Horowitz and Beck may very well be misrepresenting the facts which the OP presents uncritically.
and they might not be misrepresenting. You can't say one way or the other? Then what is your point?
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~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
25th September 2009, 01:06 PM
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Reps: 5,722,384,932,385,373 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by HerbieHeadley I watched it also.
Anyone who is honest about the video would admit it has a real political agenda and there is no balance to the views it portrays as facts. I even applaud some of the attention it draws to rabid consumerism, but even though I agree things should be built to last and there are things we could do better to address some of the throw away products we use, the one sided agenda needs to be re-edited to more of a neutral position.
Watch this and Hate yourself and America!
The film definitely needs to retract the propaganda lies it states and only use facts if it to be used to teach our kids.
Definite indoctrination.
I won’t be holding my breath for witnessing any apologies from those who ridiculed others on this thread
If you hate America after watching that, I suspect that you already had hated America. I have no problem with my children watching this because it gives me a chance to answer question they have about the issues described in the video.  |
25th September 2009, 01:16 PM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by brinny and they might not be misrepresenting. You can't say one way or the other? Then what is your point?
My point is fairly obvious: those two so often misrepresent that merely giving their say-so about something without further corroboration is pretty much worthless to anyone who isn't a fan. So far, no one has been able to give any supporting evidence. Since the OP brought it up, it is up to him to support it when challenged.
If he or someone else ever does provide some evidence that this is being shown in public schools, then the conversation can continue.
eta: Cross-posted. Now the OP has provided evidence from a non-Beck, non-Horowitz source in the hundredth post of this thread.
Now the question is, does the NYTimes support the OP's representation of the facts?
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25th September 2009, 01:21 PM
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