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Old 23rd September 2009, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dvd_holc View Post
Well, Jesus will rule from Zion, but the gerim who attach themselves to Messiah (covenant members) will also live throughout the whole world for they will come back to Zion for the festivals.
Zecharyah 14:16 Finally, everyone remaining from all the nations that came to attack Yerushalayim will go up every year to worship the king, ADONAI-Tzva'ot, and to keep the festival of Sukkot. 17 If any of the families of the earth does not go up to Yerushalayim to worship the king, ADONAI-Tzva'ot, no rain will fall on them. 18 If the family of Egypt doesn't go up, if they refuse to come, they will have no [annual] overflow [from the Nile]; moreover, there will be the plague with which ADONAI will strike the nations that don't go up to keep the festival of Sukkot. 19 This will be Egypt's punishment and the punishment of all the nations that don't go up to keep the festival of Sukkot.

20 When that day comes, this will be written on the bells worn by the horses: "Consecrated to ADONAI"; and the cooking pots in the house of ADONAI will be [as holy] as the sprinkling bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every cooking pot in Yerushalayim and Y'hudah will be consecrated to ADONAI-Tzva'ot. Everyone who offers sacrifices will come, take them and use them to stew the meat. When that day comes, there will no longer be merchants in the house of ADONAI-Tzva'ot.



I notice how the nations are still called by name (Egypt), with even a physical reference to her 'Nile' river. If they, as Egypt, do not come to the kings 'concecrated' place and people.......no rain.

I notice still, the distinction between the naitons and Yisrael. Yisrael is consecrated to God, and the nations are blessed by this. We are BOTH in Messiah, doing what we were called to do and be.

There is a 'house of ADONAI' that the nations come to offer in. It is in Yerushalayim, and Y'hudah is concecrated as well, to ADONAI. Why? To be the servants of the world. Like Yeshua taught us. And He told us to tell about this "kingdom" to the world. That through Him gentiles have remission of sins and are found righteous in the sight of God, through Faith. Just like us. Now we can both hold our own place in God's Kingdom. Whereas before gentiles were not included in it. It was 'of the Jews'.
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Old 24th September 2009, 06:36 AM
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I think it is very possible that Abba has different plans for different people groups in the millennium, we see many examples of this in Scripture and in life around us...we dont all come across this life doing the same things all the time......I welcome what ever He has planned for me
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Originally Posted by Tishri1 View Post
I think it is very possible that Abba has different plans for different people groups in the millennium, we see many examples of this in Scripture and in life around us...we dont all come across this life doing the same things all the time......I welcome what ever He has planned for me
As I understand it, Yeshua will return and save the remnant of Israel. The tribulation temple (which will not be destroyed, btw) will be cleansed and proper sacrifices will be made there again (not as an atonement but as thank offerings) to remind the people of the price he (Yeshua) paid to save them / us. Interesting that even in the millennium when edenic conditions and longevity re restored and hasatan is bound how people need reminding and focus and guarding against this fallen sin nature.. Because the new nature / general resurrection will not have taken place yet. If I understand the millennium, that is.

By general resurrection I mean the resurrection of the remainder (saved and lost) who were not raised in the first resurrection when the Lord comes to earth to save Israel accompanied with ten thousand of his saints... whenwe who are left and alive will be changed in the twinkling of and eye etc.
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Any who know me know that I point out that the building of the first Jewish temple was not God's idea. Compare 2 Samuel 7:12-13 with Zechariah 56:12-13 not to mention passages like Isaiah 66:1-2, Matthew 16:18 (which is not Catholicism btw), and 1 Corinthians 3:16... oh and 1 Peter 2:3-9...

BUT!

Once God condescended to deal with Israel through that temple system, it became an ongoing element with which to deal and at times contend. Originally he instructed Moses to erect the tabernacle. Hebrews 8:5 affirms this. But the stone dead, immobile temple was man's idea and interference.

And as I said, it was one of many concessions of the Lord. Which is evidence of his grace because he is not as rigid as people make him out to be... still there are some things that are non-negotiable and man plays with eternal fire when he goes there.

There is one and only one plan for salvation. And the tabernacle and the temple are not it. The tabernacle was made to prophetically depict salvation which and who Yeshua would fulfill in his own blood. But so were other animal sacrifices etc. a depiction of this. And the temple was (shall we say) an echo of the tabernacle prophecy.

And since man went the way of the temple, it will be in the millennium but you will notice it is not in heaven.

Revelation 21:
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
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Originally Posted by johnd View Post
As I understand it, Yeshua will return and save the remnant of Israel. The tribulation temple (which will not be destroyed, btw) will be cleansed and proper sacrifices will be made there again (not as an atonement but as thank offerings) to remind the people of the price he (Yeshua) paid to save them / us. Interesting that even in the millennium when edenic conditions and longevity re restored and hasatan is bound how people need reminding and focus and guarding against this fallen sin nature.. Because the new nature / general resurrection will not have taken place yet. If I understand the millennium, that is.

By general resurrection I mean the resurrection of the remainder (saved and lost) who were not raised in the first resurrection when the Lord comes to earth to save Israel accompanied with ten thousand of his saints... whenwe who are left and alive will be changed in the twinkling of and eye etc.
My understanding as well.
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The identity of Israel and the Jewishness of Jews lie not in the Temple nor even the Torah, but in the God who chose and chooses them. This is my point in all my posts on these topics... not to run anyone or anything down... but to actually release Jews from trapping themselves by these identifiers. There's so much more to being a Jew.
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