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24th September 2009, 12:23 AM
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Reps: 391,657,471,571,023,040 (power: 391,657,471,571,037) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET  God isn't the One Who's lost.
And besides, I'm talking about someone who already got saved --- then later turned their back on Him because He didn't jump through hoops for them.
I'm talking about any and all former Christians who are no longer Christians. Those who "turned their back on him because he didn't jump through hoops" are merely a subset.
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24th September 2009, 12:26 AM
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Reps: 17,512,569,333,743 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 3sigma Is this God of yours even real? Please prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real before you pose questions based on what is nothing more than an unwarranted assumption.
LOL..... outraged that Someone talks about God at Christianforums.com... 
Oh yes let that justified Rage flow!!!
I guess the Christians better prove to you God exists before you condescend to discussing it....on a forum about God......  |
24th September 2009, 12:49 AM
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Reps: 5,570,983,808,792 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by DavinMochrie LOL..... outraged that Someone talks about God at Christianforums.com...
Oh yes let that justified Rage flow!!!
I guess the Christians better prove to you God exists before you condescend to discussing it....on a forum about God......
Welcome to the Physical and Life Sciences section of CF.com.
Where not everyone blindly believes in nonsensical, ancient myths, although a few people do, and everyone else here laughs at them. |
24th September 2009, 01:00 AM
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Reps: 17,512,569,333,743 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Alunyel Welcome to the Physical and Life Sciences section of CF.com.
Where not everyone blindly believes in nonsensical, ancient myths, although a few people do, and everyone else here laughs at them.
Cool. I can laugh at people getting worked up over things to can prevent. I dig that.
The idea that science somehow conflicts with religion, shows a weakness in that religion or faith.
Science deals in observations, facts and theories. Ie. Reality. If reality gets in the way of your religious view, it's time to examine and change those views.
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24th September 2009, 01:07 AM
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Reps: 5,570,983,808,792 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by DavinMochrie Cool. I can laugh at people getting worked up over things to can prevent. I dig that.
The idea that science somehow conflicts with religion, shows a weakness in that religion or faith.
Science deals in observations, facts and theories. Ie. Reality. If reality gets in the way of your religious view, it's time to examine and change those views.
Just my humble opinion.
But for a few people here, reality gets in the way of their religious views so reality "can take a hike". |
24th September 2009, 04:52 AM
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Reps: 54,806,534,063,437,296 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET But I love the point [the late] Henry M. Morris makes about Job.
He makes the point that when God appears to Job, God chews him out.
Why?
For not properly understanding His creation.
I suppose I can't fault you for misunderstanding Job... probably skipped 38:2 and missed the whole point of God's tirade.
God puts a high priority on His creation.
Read it again... God puts the priority on who, not how. |
24th September 2009, 06:50 AM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 3sigma Is this God of yours even real? Please prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real before you pose questions based on what is nothing more than an unwarranted assumption.
Is there any sound, objective evidence at all that your God is anything other than imaginary? The reasonable conclusion regarding religious beliefs is not that they are true, but that religious believers are insecure enough to want to believe such comforting stories and credulous enough to imagine they are true.
Before this thread gets any snarkier, I think it's worth pointing out the OP was being addressed to the creationists and TEs on the board.... |
24th September 2009, 09:13 AM
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Reps: 241,692,970,520,611 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Cabal Before this thread gets any snarkier, I think it's worth pointing out the OP was being addressed to the creationists and TEs on the board....
So? Does that somehow prohibit others from asking creationists and TEs to show that their claims are reasonable and true?
Here we have someone apparently claiming that her God somehow directed evolution, yet when I asked her to show that her God is real, she claims there is no evidence for her God and that it cannot be detected, proven or even defined in any way. It is, by all appearances, imaginary. So how did an imaginary God direct evolution? If it is imaginary, then the subject of this thread is a pointless question. She may as well ask, “Does Santa care about the colour of his sleigh?” |
24th September 2009, 09:57 AM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 3sigma So? Does that somehow prohibit others from asking creationists and TEs to show that their claims are reasonable and true?
Everyone operates on assumptions and works from them, even scientists. I don't see anyone here telling you you can't ask questions.
Either way, this thread is directed at the Christians - proving God exists for the purpose of this thread seems off-topic to me.
Although I'd be intrigued if you could provide absolute proof of the assumption of abiogenesis, for example? I do recall a frequent point being made on these boards that scientific theories or their assumptions can't be proven. Here we have someone apparently claiming that her God somehow directed evolution, yet when I asked her to show that her God is real, she claims there is no evidence for her God and that it cannot be detected, proven or even defined in any way.
I agree with her. It is, by all appearances, imaginary.
Does not follow. Most believers have personal experience of God.
And before I get hopped by all the atheists and agnostics in a 12-thread radius -
Yes, I admit it's subjective evidence.
No, I'm not claiming my experiences are sufficient proof for anyone else. So how did an imaginary God direct evolution? If it is imaginary, then the subject of this thread is a pointless question. She may as well ask, “Does Santa care about the colour of his sleigh?”
Because the last segment does not follow, I'll return to this part when you've addressed that first.
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24th September 2009, 02:35 PM
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Reps: 1,211,434,525,818 (power: 1,211,434,531) | | Originally Posted by 3sigma What you are describing is something that isn’t real; it lacks factual reality and exists only in imagination. You are describing something that is imaginary.
If your God cannot be defined then you cannot even say what it is you believe in. If your God cannot be proven or even detected then there is no justification for believing it is real. If your God cannot be explained, but can only be experienced or felt then you are basing your belief on emotion rather than reason. So it appears that you are insecure enough to want to believe the comforting religious stories and credulous enough to imagine they are true.
I'm very secure in myself, my beliefs and my God,
Thank you.
This thread was not meant to be a debate on the existence of God, however.
I will add this to the conversation, though. Carl Sagan was a brilliant man. One of my favorite books/movies from him was CONTACT. My favorite line is when Palmer Joss asks Ellie,
"Do you love your Father?"
"Yes, of course." replied Ellie.
"Prove it."
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