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If anyone can prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real then I will change my mind about it, as you did, apparently. You weren’t just insecure enough to want to believe the comforting stories and credulous enough to imagine they were true, were you? Show me the sound, objective evidence that proved to you beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real.
There is no such thing. God cannot be defined or proven. God is beyond the detection of Scientific instruments. It is an intuitive process that one goes through. It cannot be explained, it must be experienced. It must be felt.
If you sincerely look for Him, you will find him. He's not hiding.
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God cannot be defined or proven. God is beyond the detection of Scientific instruments. It is an intuitive process that one goes through. It cannot be explained, it must be experienced. It must be felt.
What you are describing is something that isn’t real; it lacks factual reality and exists only in imagination. You are describing something that is imaginary.
If your God cannot be defined then you cannot even say what it is you believe in. If your God cannot be proven or even detected then there is no justification for believing it is real. If your God cannot be explained, but can only be experienced or felt then you are basing your belief on emotion rather than reason. So it appears that you are insecure enough to want to believe the comforting religious stories and credulous enough to imagine they are true.
If your God cannot be defined then you cannot even say what it is you believe in. If your God cannot be proven or even detected then there is no justification for believing it is real. If your God cannot be explained, but can only be experienced or felt then you are basing your belief on emotion rather than reason. So it appears that you are insecure enough to want to believe the comforting religious stories and credulous enough to imagine they are true.
There is no such thing. God cannot be defined or proven. God is beyond the detection of Scientific instruments. It is an intuitive process that one goes through. It cannot be explained, it must be experienced. It must be felt.
If you sincerely look for Him, you will find him. He's not hiding.
You're assuming that 3sigma has not sincerely looked. And, to extrapolate further, you're assuming that no current atheist has sincerely looked. Considering that just as you went from atheist to Christian, many Christians have become atheists, their sincere searches as Christians amounted to nothing in the end.
And perhaps God cannot be detected through scientific instruments, but his effects surely could. A greater rate of cancer recovery amongst Christians. Christians significantly less likely to die in car accidents. If God answers prayers, even just one percent of them, then that would be statistically evident as a difference between Christians and everyone else.
__________________ "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams
"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams
"Skaloopdidit" - Keeping Skaloop as the first cause until science can rule him out. "I'd be a theist if it weren't for God." - Me
Considering that just as you went from atheist to Christian, many Christians have become atheists, their sincere searches as Christians amounted to nothing in the end.
Ya --- in other words, God was good enough to save them when they cried out to Him at one time; but then, since He didn't start playing the role of divine butler, suddenly He becomes non-existent.
Even after they, as Hebrews 6 puts it:
were once enlightened
tasted of the heavenly gift
made partakers of the Holy Ghost
tasted the good word of God
and the powers to come
Anything that can't be found in a microscope, telescope, or grow in a petri dish isn't worth their time; is it?
We don't say that abiogenesis can't be defined or that it can't be "proven", though. It has been defined to some degree, but even if not, we're still not saying it can't, just that it hasn't.
Quite different than the previous claim about God.
__________________ "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams
"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams
"Skaloopdidit" - Keeping Skaloop as the first cause until science can rule him out. "I'd be a theist if it weren't for God." - Me
Ya --- in other words, God was good enough to save them when they cried out to Him at one time; but then, since He didn't start playing the role of divine butler, suddenly He becomes non-existent.
Even after they, as Hebrews 6 puts it:
were once enlightened
tasted of the heavenly gift
made partakers of the Holy Ghost
tasted the good word of God
and the powers to come
Anything that can't be found in a microscope, telescope, or grow in a petri dish isn't worth their time; is it?
So someone searching sincerely isn't enough, then? Who are you to say that they merely wanted a "divine butler"? If a sincere, honest, truthful search doesn't work, what does that say about its effectiveness?
__________________ "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams
"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams
"Skaloopdidit" - Keeping Skaloop as the first cause until science can rule him out. "I'd be a theist if it weren't for God." - Me
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