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22nd September 2009, 09:56 PM
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Reps: 1,211,434,525,818 (power: 1,211,434,531) | | Originally Posted by LifeToTheFullest!  But evolutionism is a sin and responsible for every evil conceived by man, donchtaknow.
I must have forgotten. 
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23rd September 2009, 01:52 AM
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Is something moral (or pious) because it is pleasing to the God(s)?
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23rd September 2009, 07:03 AM
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Reps: 241,692,970,520,611 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by loveiseverywhere Does God Care if You're an Evolutionist or Creationist?
Is this God of yours even real? Please prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real before you pose questions based on what is nothing more than an unwarranted assumption. When you get to the Pearly Gates, do you honestly think Jesus is going to judge you according to your belief in one or the other? Do you honestly think he's going to ask your opinion about anything?
Is there any sound, objective evidence at all that your God is anything other than imaginary? The reasonable conclusion regarding religious beliefs is not that they are true, but that religious believers are insecure enough to want to believe such comforting stories and credulous enough to imagine they are true. |
23rd September 2009, 07:25 AM
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Nothing special about the human heart. |
23rd September 2009, 07:39 AM
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Reps: 638,891,084,824,015 (power: 638,891,084,827) | | Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII Nothing special about the human heart.
I think God would beg to differ
WikiAnswers - How many times is the word 'heart' used in the Bible
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23rd September 2009, 07:40 AM
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Reps: 1,680,906,890 (power: 1,680,914) | | Originally Posted by loveiseverywhere When you get to the Pearly Gates, do you honestly think Jesus is going to judge you according to your belief in one or the other? Do you honestly think he's going to ask your opinion about anything?
We focus so much on arguing our points here that we forget to love one another.
Just food for thought.
[btw- I am a Theistic Evolutionist but I am saved by His Grace!]
I agree with you here - even as an atheist.
I think God has a lot better material to start with if he chooses many of the evolutionists (including atheists), than he has if he chooses many of the YECs.
I won't say that for all. However I continue to be amused by many of my opponents who preach heaven and hell, morals and ethics, truth and honesty, all the while misrepresenting the ideas and opinions of those they disagree with.
Why preach truth and honesty on the one hand, while utterly misrepresenting the position of evolutionists and ToE on the other hand?
Why preach truth and honesty on the one hand, while continually refusing to look at the actual arguments presented by evolutionists on the other hand.
So I have never been able to understand the concept of a god who wants to know if you reject evolution, while maintaining that bad behavior is, nevertheless o.k. Mind you, these days I don't understand the concept of a god who is only interested in the followers one religion either. But that's the atheist coming out in me. :-)
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23rd September 2009, 02:53 PM
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Reps: 1,211,434,525,818 (power: 1,211,434,531) | | Originally Posted by 3sigma Is this God of yours even real? Please prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real before you pose questions based on what is nothing more than an unwarranted assumption.
Is there any sound, objective evidence at all that your God is anything other than imaginary? The reasonable conclusion regarding religious beliefs is not that they are true, but that religious believers are insecure enough to want to believe such comforting stories and credulous enough to imagine they are true.
Please tell me why I have to prove anything to you? Just because you want me to? As a former atheist, I know that your mind is already made up that you don't believe in God, so why should I spend my precious time arguing with you?
The question is posed toward those who already believe in God but do not accept evolution as his creation and who treat those of us Christians who do accept evolution like we are bad people for believing in evolution.
It is not directed toward atheists.
I do not waste my time arguing with atheists anymore. I used to be one.
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23rd September 2009, 03:39 PM
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Reps: 193,626,028,018,630,112 (power: 193,626,028,018,645) | | Originally Posted by loveiseverywhere Please tell me why I have to prove anything to you? Just because you want me to? As a former atheist, I know that your mind is already made up that you don't believe in God, so why should I spend my precious time arguing with you?
The question is posed toward those who already believe in God but do not accept evolution as his creation and who treat those of us Christians who do accept evolution like we are bad people for believing in evolution.
It is not directed toward atheists.
I do not waste my time arguing with atheists anymore. I used to be one.
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Then you should know that an atheist can change his/her mind. |
23rd September 2009, 05:23 PM
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Then you should know that an atheist can change his/her mind.
This is true.
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23rd September 2009, 07:22 PM
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Reps: 241,692,970,520,611 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by loveiseverywhere Please tell me why I have to prove anything to you? Just because you want me to? As a former atheist, I know that your mind is already made up that you don't believe in God, so why should I spend my precious time arguing with you?
If anyone can prove beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real then I will change my mind about it, as you did, apparently. You weren’t just insecure enough to want to believe the comforting stories and credulous enough to imagine they were true, were you? Show me the sound, objective evidence that proved to you beyond reasonable doubt that your God is real. | | |
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