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27th September 2009, 01:15 PM
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Reps: 247,773,133,073 (power: 247,773,145) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun  I am on. Wish it success.
I am a physical geologist (in case you do not know). I am learning biology, but not very efficiently. So far, I have not been really challenged in my field by any non-creationist. Kind of boring. So, if you see a hard one, throw it to me.
Geology alone won't work in any CvE debate. It has to be based on theology. And I think this dependence is perfect.
God bless you at where you are.
Geology is a complete mystery to me and I really never was bothered by the age of the earth, whatever it turns out to be. I feel in love with the life sciences though, you should really check out the MIT opencourseware biology course. There is a lecture by the resident geneticist who discusses Mendel's experiments and it's just fascinating.
It's going to take me a while to get my first pages up because my work here is pretty demanding as you might imagine. As I get them ready I'll be posting links here to see what the resident creationists think of them.
Hey, BTW, if you have any posts, threads or blog entries I would be interested in browsing them. I know nothing about geology but I'm told it's important to the creation/evolution thing, still not sure why.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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27th September 2009, 01:27 PM
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Reps: 247,773,133,073 (power: 247,773,145) | | Originally Posted by marktheblake Hi Mark
my preferred topic of discussion (of which i am just a novice) is defending the creation view from the study of the OT and the Hebrew language.
You get a lot of milage from that in Genesis, Job and Isaiah. Really never had the patience to learn the Hebrew but a dictionary/concordance generally gave me what I needed. I'm particularly fond of Vines.
I really don't know what I'm going to put together from the Old Testament, I'll have to finish the New Testament expositions first I guess.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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28th September 2009, 07:35 PM
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__________________ My husband died on April 21, 2009, at the age of 50.
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I have never supported myself in my life.
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5th October 2009, 03:50 PM
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I am a six day creationist. I believe what the Bible teaches about that matter. Here is just part of the reason I believe in special creation:
I don't think there is any way possible for the blind forces of nature to have created this. It certainly isn't happening in our world outside of already existing DNA coded living organisms.
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20th October 2009, 06:34 PM
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Reps: 334,181,496,517 (power: 334,181,503) | | | Mark,
How about another alternative.
The ad revenue on this forum wouldn't buy enough powder to blow it all to heckfire, so, let it roll with whatever.
Lots of other important stuff to do. Actually, I think the Christians are nicer to each other on the investment websites I go to. I got booted from raptureready.com or something like it. Dont remember because, I think, I posted information on maybe manipulation by the Federal Reserve or maybe it was the story about the dead lab animals injected with Bayer/Baxter flu vaccines in Europe. Too alarmist or something like that -- never mind whether it was true. Christians mostly beat the crap out of each other and are mostly incredulous with each other. Its nice for a workout, if you ahve the time. But, who does anymore? I am posting about making money, avoiding fraudulent investments, disaster preparations, guns, out of control government, etc, with the occasional Jesus angle. Hardly any flaming.
You are a force, however, my man! God bless you for keeping it up! (And stay safe.)
Blessings,
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20th October 2009, 06:54 PM
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How about another alternative.
The ad revenue on this forum wouldn't buy enough powder to blow it all to heckfire, so, let it roll.
You are a force, however, my man!
Websites about investing (and including sections on preparation, guns, financial/gov't fraud) seem to be easier to participate in. People aren't incredulous and unpleasant like the Christian sites. Gee, guess you really CANT serve God and Mammon! How about that? There is a precious metals investing site I particularly like. Some good Christians there.
Blessings,
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22nd October 2009, 10:37 PM
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22nd October 2009, 10:40 PM
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Reps: 333,918,082,664 (power: 333,918,087) | | | I mostly lurk, but post every now and then. I'm far too busy to hang around too often, and even when I do, having no science background, I usually feel like a small fish in a big pond.
I'm definitely sold on ID and lean heavily YEC. Mark, why do you say that the age of the earth doesn’t bother you much? I guess I find an allegorical interpretation of Genesis problematic, because the lineages laid out in the Gospels would, then, have to be considered allegory, and where does it stop?
I'm a prosecutor, so I guess I usually think in terms of evidence and competing interpretations of evidence. I think that theories that seek to explain history and origins are more akin to theories of a criminal case (i.e., the best interpretation of evidence) and very different than most other scientific theories that can be tested by repeating experiments.
Since a youth, I've been interested with C/E and theism/atheism debates. I was thrown off the course of my faith in the Bible in my late teens and 20s (I say) largely due to being fed the evolution line by about every science teacher I ever had. I guess that accounts for my prejudice against teaching only the evolutionist’s interpretation in schools funded with my tax dollars. I resent that about every time I have to explain to my 3rd grader that the millions of years she reads about in her science textbook is just someone’s interpretation of bones that were dug up.
Anyway, about the time I reconnected with God in my mid-20s, I was influenced by Chuck Coulsen, R.C. Sproul, Stephen Meyer, and Phillip Johnson, all of whom strike me as brilliant. I’ve also been influenced by YEC proponents, many of whom strike me as very interesting and thoughtful but maybe not exactly brilliant.
The age of the earth has fascinated me for some time now. The thought that Genesis is an accurate historical account just seems to make sense to me, and I don't see a compelling argument against it. Ridicule seems to be the main argument against it.  |
24th October 2009, 02:33 AM
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Reps: 334,181,496,517 (power: 334,181,503) | | Originally Posted by oncelost I'm a prosecutor, so I guess I usually think in terms of evidence and competing interpretations of evidence. I think that theories that seek to explain history and origins are more akin to theories of a criminal case (i.e., the best interpretation of evidence) and very different than most other scientific theories that can be tested by repeating experiments.
Interesting that you say that. I am lawyer too. The scientists don't understand evidence and burdens of proof, and varying standards of proof. They are so woefully clueless, and yet indignant when you suggest that maybe their science degrees aren't enough to evaluate all the issues in this debate.
They also don't understand negotiation.
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24th October 2009, 03:48 PM
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Reps: 333,918,082,664 (power: 333,918,087) | | Originally Posted by busterdog The scientists don't understand evidence and burdens of proof, and varying standards of proof. They are so woefully clueless, and yet indignant when you suggest that maybe their science degrees aren't enough to evaluate all the issues in this debate.
Yeah. A case in point is the area of transitional fossils. Evolutionists think that any evidence proves their point, when indeed quite large extrapolations are made from quite little evidence. Yet they act as if they've exlcuded all other reasonable interpretations.
That's one thing I don't think you can say about ID. The argument in ID is that all other reasonable interpretations are excluded.
Years ago, I used to do some administrative law, and I was often frustated with the standard of review, which was that the hearing officer only needed "some evidence" to support her findings.
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