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19th September 2009, 09:38 PM
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Reps: 5,570,983,808,792 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by marlowe007  What's your point? Everything evolutionists believe in hinges on a single book as well - considering how Chamber's Vestiges was trashed by the establishment, there's no chance that evolution would be trendy today without the publication of Origin.
Haha. No.
Everything "evolutionists" accept hinges on 150 years of observation, and over 10,000 (Or it might be 100,000, I forget.) peer reviewed papers based on those observations.
If Darwin didn't make those observations, then someone else would've, eventually. |
19th September 2009, 09:42 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Alunyel Everything "evolutionists" accept hinges on 150 years of observation, and over 10,000 (Or it might be 100,000, I forget.) peer reviewed papers based on those observations.
So the coelacanth is extinct?
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19th September 2009, 10:04 PM
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Reps: 45,773,809,592,680,992 (power: 45,773,809,592,685) | | Originally Posted by Alunyel If Darwin didn't make those observations, then someone else would've, eventually.
Fair point - I think Alfred Wallace might have brought evolution to public notice even if Darwin had not. |
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Reps: 596,997,442,336,088 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET So the coelacanth is extinct?
You act as if this means anything. |
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Reps: 9,233,282,706,633,012 (power: 9,233,282,706,636) | | Originally Posted by Alunyel If the Bible had never been written, we'd probably have colonies on other planets, with healthy, strong human populations on them, by now.
May've even made contact with alien life forms.
In other words you blame the bible for dragging down scientific progress.
I somewhat disagree with your statement sir, I personally blame stubbornness for the lack of scientific progress. |
19th September 2009, 11:15 PM
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Reps: 1,680,906,890 (power: 1,680,914) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Or the Bible:
Perhaps I should have said - read history or sociology to find this out.
Paul, when he wrote those words, was hardly isolated from the society he lived in, and nor was he an uneducated and unintelligent observer.
The problem with the Bible is that it does not give good historical detail nor does it offer empirical evidence to back its claims up - in the context of what I am claiming. Far better if you read your history and sociology books, and kept the bible as a part of your religious practice.
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19th September 2009, 11:21 PM
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So you're saying then, that history or sociology confirm what Paul wrote --- or deny it?
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19th September 2009, 11:26 PM
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Reps: 1,680,906,890 (power: 1,680,914) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET So you're saying then, that history or sociology confirm what Paul wrote --- or deny it?
Generally confirm, yes, for the reasons I gave.
Paul made a few claims in those verses which either cannot be confirmed or were somewhat prejudicial. Like I said, he was not writing in a vacuum.
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20th September 2009, 03:40 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,796) | | Originally Posted by thaumaturgy I am very interested in your experience, Sk8.
Did you have any contact with a Christian before discovering the Judeo-Christian God
or were you living somewhere completely untouched by the West (perhaps in the deepest parts of the Amazon?) and one day you came to the realization that there was a being who created the universe and who became simultaneously both wholly god and wholly human, came to earth and sacrificed himself to himself to pay for the sins of his own creation?
And all without external reference to either a Christian or Christian information from a third party?
This is astounding. I would think that would be very amazing. Please do tell more and in detail. Thanks.
You want to know more? - for what purpose?
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,796) | | The op asked: "If the bible were never written, would you believe in evolution?"
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What does one, have to do with the other?
Fact: God made it possible, for evolution to occur, & continue... (just not as atheists believe that religion).
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Fact: God made it possible, for the Bible to be written.
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Instead of continued sarcasm, the op can bring himself to post something really worthwhile... 
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