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22nd September 2009, 09:47 AM
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I take it the fact that you still haven't produced one means you admit this?
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22nd September 2009, 04:00 PM
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Reps: 3,818,781,423,045,208 (power: 3,818,781,423,059) | | Originally Posted by rosenherman Actually his wife, Nancy, had an astrologer.
********************************************************** Quigley later wrote a book about her experiences, titled What Does Joan Say?. Quigley writes, "Not since the days of the Roman emperors—and never in the history of the United States Presidency—has an astrologer played such a significant role in the nation's affairs of State." Although that phrase is certainly debatable, Quigley's insight was used frequently.
When Donald Regan took over as Chief of President Reagan's staff in 1985, he was told by Reagan aide Michael Deaver about Quigley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Quigley
********************************************************** Apparently Micheal Deaver was given permission to have direct access to Quigley so that he and Donald Regan, the President's Chief of Staff, could organize much of Reagan's schedule based on his horoscope - including his Summit Meeting with the Soviet leader Gorbachev at Reykjavík, Iceland.
Neither Don Regan nor the CIA were impressed that an astrologer not only had access to top secret information, but the First Lady also expected her to be consulted.
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22nd September 2009, 04:10 PM
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********************************************************** Apparently Micheal Deaver also was given permission to have direct access with Quigley so that he and Donald Regan, the President's Chief of Staff, could organize much of Reagan's schedule based on his horoscope.
According to who?
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23rd September 2009, 05:29 PM
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Reps: 3,818,781,423,045,208 (power: 3,818,781,423,059) | | Quigley fixed the times for the public signing of the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty, or INF Treaty, and Reagan's debates with Walter Mondale. She set the time of the nomination of Anthony Kennedy to the Supreme Court, instructing the White House staff to use a stopwatch to make the moment perfect ......
"Mrs. Reagan passed along her prognostications to me after conferring with on the telephone--she had become such a factor in my work, and in the highest affairs of the nation, that at one point I kept a color-coded calendar on my desk (numerals highlighted in green ink for "good" days, red for "bad" days, yellow for "iffy" days) as an aid to remembering when it was propitious to move the President of the United States from one place to another, or schedule him to speak in public, or commence negotiations with a foreign power."
(Donald Regan, "For the Record: From Wall Street to Washington")
..... In 1989, in an NBC News story, reporter Andrea Mitchell said:
"Intelligence officials say the CIA went nuts when it learned the First Lady was discussing US-Soviet relations with an outsider on non-secure lines. Some White House officials were also horrified that presidential security was being breached. And, according to former White House officials and Quigley, the astrologer was involved in everything. She picked the departure time for the Reykjavik Summit, the optimum time for signing an arms control treaty, the best time for the trip to Moscow. And, when Mrs. Reagan was upset about a controversial trip to Germany in 1985, Quigley plotted every takeoff and landing. Her scheduling for that visit to the Bitburg cemetery was so complicated that former White House aide Michael Deaver sought permission from Mrs. Reagan to talk to the astrologer directly. The President knew what was going on. Deaver told NBC News that if Mrs. Reagan wanted a schedule change, she would say, 'I told Ronnie and that's what Joan recommends....' Former aides say Ronald Reagan was a man who read his horoscope and the 'funnies' before the rest of the paper. They say he wasn't only indulging his wife--that the former president also believed in astrology." According to who? - according to those around the Reagans - the Reagan's daughter, Donald Regan, Michael Deaver, Joan Quigley, Andrea Mitchell
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That's all according to you. Where are any of them on record stating that Deaver ever met Quigley at all, let alone on a regular basis?
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Reps: 63,932,760,995,062,528 (power: 63,932,760,995,076) | | Originally Posted by rosenherman Alzheimer's an ugly disease, they should be ashamed.
Carter doesn't sound or act like he has alzheimer's. Have you ever known anyone with this disease? It isn't subtle. Read the abstract in the Wikipedia entry.
Is there a reason you think Carter has alzheimer's disease?
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8th October 2009, 03:10 PM
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Reps: 56,658,641,732,305,168 (power: 56,658,641,732,324) | | Originally Posted by rosenherman Actually his wife, Nancy, had an astrologer.  to Herman if he doesn't do what you tell him to. (Assuming, of course, rosenherman means what I think it does.)
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Reps: 21,273,403,002,915,972 (power: 21,273,403,002,926) | | Originally Posted by Ringo84 I see. You disagree with Carter and his recent comments regarding race and opposition to the President. Therefore, he must have Alzheimer's.
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No, he mustn't have Alzheimer's.
And I do disagree with his recent rant about opposing obama and race. I didn't think even he was that stupid to believe such nonsense. I oppose obama because he's a bad president and way too liberal for the good of this country. I opposed Clinton and would oppose the mrs. for the same reason. [Since they're white and so am I (with a smattering of Choctaw Indian)] obviously the racial component is a strawman. The conservatives claimed anyone opposing bush was being unpatriotic and disloyal to the country. That wasn't true either.
Carter's alzheimer's was a rumor. And deserved to be discussed.
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