We need to stop this....

hypocritical attitude.

I visited few christian forums and adventist sites and I came across strong debates between members. After going through the posts I realised that some of us choose to live in error or disbelief.

For Example, one of the debate surrounding EGW failed prophecies where some of the members responded by saying that its not EGW fault if "God" showed her something that was going to happen and then changed his mind.

Another one is, some members constantly discrediting the bible and prophets to proof that it's ok for prophecies to fail or prophets to lie.

We need to stop this thinking full stop.

I share your concerns. However, I am well aware that there are none righteous and none who understand. I am confident that there are aspects of God that I continue to misunderstand. I realize that SDAism does not have a corner on the market when it comes to error.

BFA

Remember what happened to Jonah in regards to Nineveh, which is a good Bible example of God changing His mind, solely for the reason that Nineveh repented.

This didn't make Jonah a false prophet.

We also need to remember that some prophecies are conditional prophecies, such as in this instance.

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Daryl
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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Well said Daryl.

Prophecy is not about a set future acting on us, it's about our role in possible futures. The Ninevites chose one future over another because they understood the prophecy.

What criteria can be used to "test" a prophet to see whether such prophet is or is not of God?

As for me, I'm interested in the words of a prophet whose predictions come to pass:

"Yet hear now this word which I am about to speak in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people! The prophets who were before me and before you from ancient times prophesied against many lands and against great kingdoms, of war and of calamity and of pestilence. The prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, then that prophet will be known as one whom the LORD has truly sent." Jeremiah 28:7-9

"Now in the twelfth year of our exile, on the fifth of the tenth month, the refugees from Jerusalem came to me, saying, "The city has been taken." Now the hand of the LORD had been upon me in the evening, before the refugees came And He opened my mouth at the time they came to me in the morning; so my mouth was opened and I was no longer speechless. Then the word of the LORD came to me saying,Son of man, they who live in these waste places in the land of Israel are saying, 'Abraham was only one, yet he possessed the land; so to us who are many the land has been given as a possession.' Therefore say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You eat meat with the blood in it, lift up your eyes to your idols as you shed blood Should you then possess the land? You rely on your sword, you commit abominations and each of you defiles his neighbor's wife. Should you then possess the land? Thus you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "As I live, surely those who are in the waste places will fall by the sword, and whoever is in the open field I will give to the beasts to be devoured, and those who are in the strongholds and in the caves will die of pestilence. I will make the land a desolation and a waste, and the pride of her power will cease; and the mountains of Israel will be desolate so that no one will pass through. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I make the land a desolation and a waste because of all their abominations which they have committed. But as for you, son of man, your fellow citizens who talk about you by the walls and in the doorways of the houses, speak to one another, each to his brother, saying, 'Come now and hear what the message is which comes forth from the LORD.' They come to you as people come, and sit before you as My people and hear your words, but they do not do them, for they do the lustful desires expressed by their mouth, and their heart goes after their gain. Behold, you are to them like a sensual song by one who has a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument; for they hear your words but they do not practice them. So when it comes to pass--as surely it will--then they will know that a prophet has been in their midst." Ezekiel 33

I am sure that there is other criteria that could also be used. Any thoughts?

BFA

The question is not how we test the prophet, but whether and how the prophecy creates more degrees of freedom in the moment - whether it expands choice. Jonah was a great prophet, but a lousy fortune teller. It's important to understand the difference between preview and prediction.

Prophecy is about options for better action now - not an impending future. Prophets paint a picture of the future most likely based on our present momentum and direction. So we have the option of adjusting for a preferred future.

These are interesting opinions. Regardless, I believe it is valid to ask, "How do we test a prophet?" Anyone have any thoughts on this question.

BFA

You people are not serious right?
These are all the ridiculous excuses we have to sit down and listen to each sabbath. Sis White prophecies were conditional. Go back and read Jonah and you will see clearly where that was stated.

Are we really a bible believing church when we use statements like those I mentioned above? No wonder people see us as cults similar to the JW.

If we are in error please say so and I can accept that we made mistakes and EGW was wrong in some aspects. but do not make excuses and try to cover up what is obviously clear to us.

I would love to know as well

The problems is with us, not the prophecies or the prophets. The same is true with the Bible. The problem is our demands, not the text.