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13th September 2009, 05:22 AM
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Reps: 113,334,091,635,218,480 (power: 113,334,091,635,226) | | | So lets see.. the pimp and his prostitute went to five acorn facilities trying to get this scam to work and in most of those they ran way because the police were called on them.
And somehow ACORN is the bad guy in all of this?
This is called cherry picking, it's akin to a non-christian talking to christians until he finds someone that says something hateful then blaming all christians for that persons words.
The pimp and prostitute broke the law, they now get to experience the justice they were so seeking.
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13th September 2009, 07:39 AM
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Reps: 2,603,126,827,866,096,640 (power: 2,603,126,827,866,107) | | Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan  Whether people like it or not, there are legal issues involved with bringing a hidden camera onto private property and videotaping people without their consent.
Would you want someone to be able to bring a camera into your home and tape you without your permission?
Most states have laws requiring businesses or other individuals conducting audio or video surveillance to post notices. That's why you see so many signs like VIDEOTAPING IN PROGRESS TO DISCOURAGE SHOPLIFTING or YOUR PICTURE AND VOICE MAY BE RECORDED and so forth: those signs are there to comply with laws mandating disclosure of such recordings.
I would think that conservatives, of all people, would support the right of people indoors on private property to be free from unauthorized surveillance...
But is the ACORN office a "public" office?
Are they not tax exempt because they claim to charity the public?
Don't they accept tax money from the Government?
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13th September 2009, 07:47 AM
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Reps: 2,603,126,827,866,096,640 (power: 2,603,126,827,866,107) | | Originally Posted by Steve Petersen The guy is an independent film maker.
60 Minutes used to do this kind of stuff.
I'll bet there are TV stations that did undercover investigations in Maryland. Should they be charged?
Here is a little on the law in Maryland. "Can We Tape?"
In one paragraph it says:
Violations of the law are felonies punishable by imprisonment for not more than five years and a fine of not more than $10,000. Civil liability for violations can include the greater of actual damages, $100 a day for each day of violation or $1,000, along with punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation costs. To recover civil damages, however, a plaintiff must prove that the defendant knew it was illegal to tape the communication without consent from all participants. MD. Code Ann., Cts. & Jud. Proc. § 10-410.
Hopefully, they can get off the civil charges by not being aware.
The problem is though, how far Patricia Jessamy wants to push the matter, and how long she wants to drag it through the courts.
Amazing, that her States Attorney office is two miles away from the ACORN office. Corruption all around her, but she needs to go after the good guys. 
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13th September 2009, 11:20 AM
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Reps: 2,646,390,050,937,345,536 (power: 0) | | | For most liberals the definitions of the terms "good" and "bad" changes with each situation they need to be applied to. In this case we are dealing with an organization which Obama championed throughout the campaign. That organization has now been made to look bad. Therefore those who did this must be to blame.
The filmmakers are not pimps and prostitutes, they only played pimps and prostitutes on TV.
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13th September 2009, 11:27 AM
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good or bad makes no difference to me. The law is the law.
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13th September 2009, 11:30 AM
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Tell me, which is worse?
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13th September 2009, 04:09 PM
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Reps: 140,073,088,442,865,232 (power: 140,073,088,442,874) | | | I see. Common sense trumps laws on the books when it comes to the defense of conservative causes.
This whole episode (as well as others) causes me to seriously doubt ACORN's hiring and operation practices. They need to seriously get their act together or be disbanded. The management of ACORN should be held accountable, not just the fired employees. This was a serious black eye for the organization.
But, this thread is about the film producers/actors. Their sting operation uncovered a valuable problem, but they may have violated Maryland law.
Common sense is to follow the laws of the jurisdiction.
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13th September 2009, 04:13 PM
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Reps: 140,073,088,442,865,232 (power: 140,073,088,442,874) | | Originally Posted by Steve Petersen How much keyboard time has been devoted here to the people in ACORN who were willing to abet child prostitution?
Tell me, which is worse?
There is a thread in the N&CE section of CF discussing the underage prostitution aspect of the video.
It sickens me that these ACORN employees were willing to assist in prostitution. It is 100 times worse that they didn't call the police when the talk turned to underage prostitutes. It was vile!
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13th September 2009, 04:15 PM
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Reps: 140,073,088,442,865,232 (power: 140,073,088,442,874) | | Originally Posted by JustOneWay I could care less about ACORN, however I will argue arainst the conservatives because it is fun.
good or bad makes no difference to me. The law is the law.
OJ is a bad man....and not guilty. See how easy that is?
OJ Simpson? The guy in prison now?
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13th September 2009, 04:24 PM
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Reps: 140,073,088,442,865,232 (power: 140,073,088,442,874) | | Originally Posted by Gawron For most liberals the definitions of the terms "good" and "bad" changes with each situation they need to be applied to.
How does this differ for conservatives?
This very thread is evidence that the conservatives in this thread want possible Maryland wiretap law violations to be overlooked because of the honorable actions of the filmmakers (probably anti-ACORN, anti-liberal, and anti-Obama).
Two wrongs don't make a right. ACORN's representatives are definitely wrong in this case, but the filmmakers may be also.
Personally, I think laws should be upheld whether the parties are liberal, conservative, black, white, christian, muslim, gay, straigt, etc.
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