A question on Revelation 12

lismore · #1 12th September 2009, 12:52 PM

Revelation 12, the Woman Clothed with the Sun, Moon and twelve stars

Some people say this refers to the return of Israel {1948}. For those who believe this, does that mean we would now be on chapter 13 in the prophetic timeline? If chapter 12 was fulfilled in 1948.

For those who believe chapter 12 refers to the birth of Jesus and the woman being Mary. Why is a past event in a book of prophecy?

John1032 · #2 12th September 2009, 06:39 PM

We are going to see many “great signs” in the heavens that points to the divinity of our Messiah, but they will also be deceiving “demonic signs” that will appear over the next few years.

The woman has been referred to as the “believing Jews”, “ethnic Israelites”, and “the church”. The “twelve stars” are the twelve tribes or the twelve Apostles and the stars recalls Joseph’s vision.

But, I believe if you we try to understand all of this we will lose the real plot.

The two “Beasts” are no doubt the NWO and we all need to be very wary what is going on over the next few months, because those “beasts” are walking around like a roaring lion ready to devour you. This “swine flu” vaccination is part of the “beast”.

freeport · #3 13th September 2009, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by lismore

Revelation 12, the Woman Clothed with the Sun, Moon and twelve stars

Some people say this refers to the return of Israel {1948}. For those who believe this, does that mean we would now be on chapter 13 in the prophetic timeline? If chapter 12 was fulfilled in 1948.

For those who believe chapter 12 refers to the birth of Jesus and the woman being Mary. Why is a past event in a book of prophecy?

Both are wrong.

Twelve stars -- twelve tribes. Moon, Israel. Sun, the Church.

People like to say such things, but really? When did the two witnesses preach, and how? And Chapter Eleven ends with Jesus taking His rule, if anybody noticed.

12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

But, could all of these things happened and people not have been informed?

Yes.

Yodas_Prodigy · #4 11th November 2009, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by lismore

Revelation 12, the Woman Clothed with the Sun, Moon and twelve stars

Some people say this refers to the return of Israel {1948}. For those who believe this, does that mean we would now be on chapter 13 in the prophetic timeline? If chapter 12 was fulfilled in 1948.

For those who believe chapter 12 refers to the birth of Jesus and the woman being Mary. Why is a past event in a book of prophecy?

Hello Lismore. The Woman is Israel, the Baby is Jesus. These visions lead up to Christ coming again. So the start seems to be His birth...

MrBojangles · #5 11th November 2009, 09:25 PM

Rev 1
19 `Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things;

Yodas_Prodigy · #6 11th November 2009, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by MrBojangles

Rev 1
19 `Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things;

Good Quote Piano Man!!

nowfaith86 · #7 27th November 2009, 05:11 PM

The book of Revelation is not completely chronilogical. It has some chronoligical parts and some "parenthetical parts" that put the storyline on pause to address other issues that have happened or will happen.

This being understood Rev. 12 in not a chronilogical part.

So who is the woman?

Scripturally, this woman clothed with the sun should be identified with Israel, according to Joseph’s dream (Genesis 37:9-11). In that dream, the sun represents Jacob, the moon represents Joseph’s mother Rachel, and the eleven stars are the sons of Israel which bow down to Joseph. In this sign with twelve stars, Joseph is now “among” the other tribes of Israel. The symbols in the Old Testament represent the family of Israel, this is the same way we need to interpret the symbols in Rev 12.

The man child is Jesus. We know this because Rev. 12 says that this child will rule the nations with a rod of iron. Many passages in scripture tell us that Jesus is the one who rules with a rod of Iron.
This is showing that Jesus came from Israel.

The dragon is Satan.

The dragon wanted to To devour her Child as soon as it was born: The attempt to devour her Child was initially fulfilled by Herod’s attempts to kill Jesus as a child (Matthew 2:16-18). It was also fulfilled throughout Jesus’ life as Satan attacked Him (John 8:58 and Mark 4:35-41).

It then says that the male child (Jesus) was caught up to Heaven. This is Jesus' ascension.

Then we jump ahead to the time of the Great tribulation where the Jews flee into the wilderness. Satan attacks them and then attacks the rest of Israel's offspring, those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. This is the church. We keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. We came from the Israelites too because we came from Jesus.

Hope this is clear God Bless

Matt

KingZzub · #8 27th November 2009, 05:32 PM

I was all excited about this thread, but it doesn't apply to me as I don't think we are in Rev 13 nor do I believe that this is about Jesus and Mary.

I therefore have no question to answer...

nowfaith86 · #9 27th November 2009, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by KingZzub

I was all excited about this thread, but it doesn't apply to me as I don't think we are in Rev 13 nor do I believe that this is about Jesus and Mary.

I therefore have no question to answer...

It absolutely applies to you. The book of Rev. including chapter 12 was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The book of Revelation was addressed to the church, which if you are a Christian, applies to you. Even if you disagree with the belief on what it means, it absolutely applies to you. To say is doesn't is to dismiss a part of God's word. Maybe you didn't mean to dismiss it, I hope not. God Bless.

Matt

KingZzub · #10 27th November 2009, 06:20 PM

Lol, I am not dismissing Revelation 12, I am just saying that Lismore asked two particular questions. One to people who misinterpret Revelation 12 to mean the birth of the nation of Israel and one to people who misinterpret Revelation 12 to mean Jesus and Mary.

Because I am in neither category, I can answer neither question, so Lismore's post does not apply to me.

See?

Blessings,
Ben