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Please show that creationism is reasonable and true
For the purposes of this discussion, assume that the theory of evolution had never been proposed.
So here we are looking at the natural world and searching for a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today. Many religious believers claim that their God did it. Some time in the Iron Age, an unknown, ignorant religious believer wrote a nonsensical story about that claim that has been passed down through generations of credulous people.
Is that nonsense the best creationists can offer or is there something more they can provide to show that the claim is reasonable and true? If you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today.
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Is that nonsense the best creationists can offer or is there something more they can provide to show that the claim is reasonable and true? If you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today.
Are you kidding?
If we gave you a 'coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation', then it wouldn't be 'nonsense' anymore --- would it?
Why should we spoil your party?
But for the record, and just to point out a glaring error in your logic --- the 'diversity of life as we see it today' has nothing to do with the Creation.
Just like your claim that evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis.
For the purposes of this discussion, assume that the theory of evolution had never been proposed.
So here we are looking at the natural world and searching for a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today. Many religious believers claim that their God did it. Some time in the Iron Age, an unknown, ignorant religious believer wrote a nonsensical story about that claim that has been passed down through generations of credulous people.
Is that nonsense the best creationists can offer or is there something more they can provide to show that the claim is reasonable and true? If you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today.
There is "absolutely no evidence" that God exists anymore than there once was pink unicorns. Christians are likened unto those with a chemical inbalance of the brain (psychitzophrenic). The default however is all life came about by one cell, transformed over billions of years, developed fins and gills and such, swam around for millions of years. Then developed lungs ,legs, special eyes, ears, heart, head, brain and whatever else was needed to get out of the water onto dry land. After more millions of years two of the legs became arms and though hunched over for awhile we finally straighted up and walk upright. Dont forget to take into account everything else that came along with us, air to breathe, seed bearing plants for food, a digestive system, water to drink, sun for that vitamin D, moon for gravity, reproduction system, nervous system, lions, giraffes, bugs. Should I list them all? All this with out a director, designer or information provider. All just by CHANCE. There you have it in short form. A coherent, not too detailed, unreasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today. Oh and one more thing. Lets not forget that in fact, some believe that evolution is just the process God used to create?
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Um ... Meschach ... just fyi ... life existed before matter in the universe.
"If you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today."--3sigma
If all you have is "The Bible Says So" then why are you even in this thread?
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
There is "absolutely no evidence" that God exists anymore than there once was pink unicorns. Christians are likened unto those with a chemical inbalance of the brain (psychitzophrenic). The default however is all life came about by one cell, transformed over billions of years, developed fins and gills and such, swam around for millions of years. Then developed lungs ,legs, special eyes, ears, heart, head, brain and whatever else was needed to get out of the water onto dry land. After more millions of years two of the legs became arms and though hunched over for awhile we finally straighted up and walk upright. Dont forget to take into account everything else that came along with us, air to breathe, seed bearing plants for food, a digestive system, water to drink, sun for that vitamin D, moon for gravity, reproduction system, nervous system, lions, giraffes, bugs. Should I list them all? All this with out a director, designer or information provider. All just by CHANCE. There you have it in short form. A coherent, not too detailed, unreasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today. Oh and one more thing. Lets not forget that in fact, some believe that evolution is just the process God used to create?
Lol, what a terrible hijack of the original cartoon. Leave it to creationists....
Firstly - "psychitzophrenic" is not a word, nor is it a medical condition.
Secondly - evolution has NOTHING to do with "chance." If you call it such, you clearly haven't understood it and should proceed to learn about evolution properly before passing comment.
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If we gave you a 'coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation', then it wouldn't be 'nonsense' anymore --- would it?
True, which is why I am asking you and other creationists to provide such an explanation rather than nonsense. Can you provide one? If so then please do. If not then why are you bothering to respond?
But for the record, and just to point out a glaring error in your logic --- the 'diversity of life as we see it today' has nothing to do with the Creation.
I’m asking you and other creationists to provide a coherent, detailed reasonable explanation for how your God supposedly created life on this planet and changed it to what we see today. Sound evidence to support your explanation would lend credence to it. You do claim that your God created life on this planet, don’t you? If so then please provide the explanation and evidence above. If not then, again, why are you bothering to respond?
Just like your claim that evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis.
I don’t remember making that claim. Could you please point out where I have done so?
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There is "absolutely no evidence" that God exists anymore than there once was pink unicorns.
Then I take it that you cannot provide a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for how your God supposedly created life on this planet and changed it to what we see today. That being the case, why are you even bothering to respond?
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This thread is silly. Almost as silly as creationists demanding a single "smoking gun" piece of evidence for evolution.
Creationists believe what they believe because it's their religion.
Evolutionists believe what they believe because it's the sum total of the available scientific evidence.
Then both sides come on message boards like these and argue with each other from completely different paradigms.
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I’m asking you and other creationists to provide a coherent, detailed reasonable explanation for how your God supposedly created life on this planet...
I'm not going to go into each one separately, but for mankind, He did it via a process known as creatio ex materia.
Specifically, He took the dust of the earth, fashioned it into the image of Himself, then bio-energized (to coin a phrase) it into a self-contained, sentient gestalt.
That's the best I can do for you, and if someone can come up with something better than that, more power to them.
Originally Posted by 3sigma
... and changed it to what we see today.
God didn't change it to what we see today, in my opinion.
What we see today is the result of God's lack of involvement in keeping His Creation in what we call a 'glorified state'.
In other words, He 'backed away' from it, and turned it over to raw nature, which is unable to handle it due to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
One of the best ways I had this explained, is by using how an amusement park operates.
As long as the amusement park has outsiders coming in and supplying it with cash, the park will operate the way it was initially designed to operate.
But should customers stop coming in, and the park stay open, it will eventually run out of cash and have to close down.
Leave it to creationists....
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