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The various creation organistions have put forward many arguments for a creator without reference to the God of the christian bible. Can I copy and paste or do I have to come up with my own stuff?
If you're referring to "Intelligent Design," didn't the mask get pulled off that one in Dover?
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There you go again. You obviously have no intention of being objective at all.
I will examine objectively anything you present , but first you have to present something. I can’t help but notice that, so far, no one here has presented anything to show that creationism is reasonable and true. Perhaps that’s because creationism isn’t reasonable and isn’t true. If you think it is reasonable and true then prove it.
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Not our fault you've never proven anything in your life.
Sigma's explained what it means, now, so off you go. Prove it.
If you're so sure you know it, as you said in another thread, then proving it to others should be easy. Just show us the same evidence that convinced you that you know it, beyond all reasonable doubt.
Of course, we'll take your silence or avoiding the question to mean that you simply can't. In which case we'll keep laughing at you for asserting that you know something completely irrational that, in reality, you only believe.
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Many religious believers claim that their God did it. Some time in the Iron Age, an unknown, ignorant religious believer wrote a nonsensical story about that claim that has been passed down through generations of credulous people.
Now you have just gone and undone your good works by putting forward your own prejudiced and bigoted opinions. As this is a science thread you really should be providing scholarly references for your claims, as you would not let me do it.
How is what I wrote prejudiced or bigoted? It is the plain and simple truth. Which part do you doubt so much that you need references to prove it?
Do you doubt that many religious believers claim that their God created life on Earth? Look around you. There are plenty of them right here in this forum. I suspect you are one of them.
Do you doubt that the story of Genesis was written in the Iron Age by an unknown, ignorant religious believer? The Iron Age in the Ancient Near East is accepted as having begun around 1,300 BCE. Genesis is accepted by Biblical scholars as having been written sometime in the first millennium BCE. This is further shown by the description of Tubalcain as being an instructor of artificers of brass and iron. Biblical scholars also accept that the author of Genesis is unknown. It is certain that the author of such a story was ignorant of many things in science and nature.
Do you doubt that the Genesis story is nonsensical and that is has been passed down by generations of credulous people? All you have to do is read it to see that it contains ideas that are absurd or contrary to good sense. The story of a talking snake and a worldwide flood are plainly contradicted by the facts. Credulous people are those who are ready to believe, especially on slight or uncertain evidence. Anyone who believes the Genesis story has to be doing so based on slight or uncertain evidence because there is no sound evidence to show that it is true.
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Prove means to establish the truth or validity of something using evidence or logic. But I can understand why that concept would be unfamiliar to you.
Proof there is a God Click on the link and see God. If you do not see God you are blind. If you do see God and still dont believe, you are a fool. Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. For without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. The faith it takes not to believe in God is much greater than the faith I possess. Life comes from life. My faith declares that the giver of ALL life is God. There is your logic. If it is not, then who or what is it? (proof please) And I assure you if you have an alternative to God being the giver of ALL life it is going to take a great deal of faith on your part to believe it because you will NEVER have any empirical evidence to prove it. As we are all individuals we can ALL have our individual proof or testimony of God.
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Proof there is a God Click on the link and see God. If you do not see God you are blind.
I don't get it, did God come down and write in the sand, or what?
If you do see God and still dont believe, you are a fool. Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. For without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. The faith it takes not to believe in God is much greater than the faith I possess. Life comes from life. My faith declares that the giver of ALL life is God. There is your logic.
Again, why are so many Christians in a rush to make out that atheists' "faith" is greater than theirs? Do you really hate your faith that much?
If it is not, then who or what is it? (proof please)
You haven't given any proof, so why should people oblige you to the contrary?
And I assure you if you have an alternative to God being the giver of ALL life it is going to take a great deal of faith on your part to believe it because you will NEVER have any empirical evidence to prove it.
Incorrect, there is no empirical proof of God, as your next statement backs up....
As we are all individuals we can ALL have our individual proof or testimony of God.
...as has been said already, individual testimony is not proof of anything. Empirical proof is on the whole more convincing, and there is no empirical proof of God. This is what you would expect also, as proof of God would destroy all notion of faith and whether or not to CHOOSE to believe in him.
And if we are all individuals and we all can have individual proof, why should you expect posting your individual proof to mean anything to anyone else, if it's only proof for you as an individual?
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I don't get it, did God come down and write in the sand, or what?
Again, why are so many Christians in a rush to make out that atheists' "faith" is greater than theirs? Do you really hate your faith that much?
You haven't given any proof, so why should people oblige you to the contrary?
Incorrect, there is no empirical proof of God, as your next statement backs up....
...as has been said already, individual testimony is not proof of anything. Empirical proof is on the whole more convincing, and there is no empirical proof of God. This is what you would expect also, as proof of God would destroy all notion of faith and whether or not to CHOOSE to believe in him.
And if we are all individuals and we all can have individual proof, why should you expect posting your individual to mean anything to anyone else, if it's only proof for you as an individual?
It is amazing how close one can get to the truth by what they write and still miss it. I wont tell you what I have seen in your reply, I will let you figure it out. Have a good day
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