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The stats you posted makes perfect sense in light of Gods Word. Mt. 7:13-14. It is odd though that biologists who see first hand the workings of God, all that information,all the woven intricacies of the body, the
purposefull functions, all the necessary systems in tact, the design, and yet they cannot come to the logical conclusion for all this. Rom. 1:20
Because all of the above isn't legibly signed "Yahweh", perhaps?
The only way someone is going to conclude that "theJudeoChristianGoddidit" is if they abandon science altogether. Heck, even concluding any supernatural involvement - never mind trying to track down the right entity - will require that.
Again, things just don't work that way.
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For the record, Gracchus wasn't calling Christians schizophrenic ("psychitzophrenia" is still a made-up word), but he said that some claims Christians make carry the same weight as those made by a schizophrenic.
I have no idea what that means, but if someone is going to analyze the validity of Christian claims on the basis of parallels with schizophrenics, then I wonder what Gracchus knows about what schizophrenics say about the claims atheists make.
For the record though, note this verse:
Originally Posted by Mark 3:21
And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.
--- and the commentary on that verse from the Family Bible Notes:
Beside himself; deranged, because, in their view, he in his labors exceeded all reasonable bounds. That earnestness in the service of God, and that activity and perseverance in doing good which true religion inspires, appear to many to be indications of insanity, and awaken in them solicitude; while equal earnestness in the pursuit of worldly things awakens no such apprehensions, but is viewed with approbation.
I’m not making an argument. All I’m asking is for creationists to show that their belief is reasonable and true. The responses from creationists so far haven’t attempted to show either of those. Not only can’t creationists show that their belief is true, they can’t even show that it is reasonable. Why should anyone believe something that isn’t true and isn’t even reasonable?
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Once again --- the OP has a glaring theological error in it.
It assumes our current state is related to the Creation Week by cause-and-effect.
The OP asks you to show that creationism is reasonable and true. You’ve failed to do either of those so far. At its most basic, creationism is the belief that a God created life on Earth. Many Christians believe that their God created life in its current form. Please show that either of those beliefs is true.
For that belief to be reasonable, you would first need to show that your God is real. For example, if someone said that frost patterns on windows were painted by fairies, the first thing many people would say is, “That’s nonsense. There’s no such thing as fairies.” It isn’t reasonable to base a belief on premises that aren’t true. First show that your God is real before you try to claim that it created anything.
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So here we are looking at the natural world and searching for a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today.
Now that is an intelligent, unbiased question, rarely seen in these forums.
Many religious believers claim that their God did it. Some time in the Iron Age, an unknown, ignorant religious believer wrote a nonsensical story about that claim that has been passed down through generations of credulous people.
Now you have just gone and undone your good works by putting forward your own prejudiced and bigoted opinions. As this is a science thread you really should be providing scholarly references for your claims, as you would not let me do it.
Is that nonsense the best creationists can offer or is there something more they can provide to show that the claim is reasonable and true?
Anything that we put forward you will write off as nonsense, you have bascially admitted that already, because you have to. If you accept any of it as true, then you are going to have to change your world view, and that is going to have a significant impact on your life isnt it.
if you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today.
The various creation organistions have put forward many arguments for a creator without reference to the God of the christian bible. Can I copy and paste or do I have to come up with my own stuff?
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The various creation organistions have put forward many arguments for a creator without reference to the God of the christian bible. Can I copy and paste or do I have to come up with my own stuff?
You can copy and paste if you wish. By all means present whatever it is you have that shows that creationism is reasonable and true. It is strange, though, that I haven’t heard of this proof before. I would have thought that something that showed creationism is actually true would have been in news broadcasts right around the world. Imagine that, actual proof that God is real and that it created life on Earth. I eagerly await your proof. Or is it just going to be the same old misapprehension, errors and logical fallacies we constantly hear from creationists? I wonder. Please show us what you have.
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I have no idea what that means, but if someone is going to analyze the validity of Christian claims on the basis of parallels with schizophrenics, then I wonder what Gracchus knows about what schizophrenics say about the claims atheists make.
Let's just say, claiming something is true based on your personal subjective belief in it isn't just limited to Christians. It certainly doesn't prove anything outright.
For the record though, note this verse:--- and the commentary on that verse from the Family Bible Notes:
Originally Posted by commentary
Beside himself; deranged, because, in their view, he in his labors exceeded all reasonable bounds. That earnestness in the service of God, and that activity and perseverance in doing good which true religion inspires, appear to many to be indications of insanity, and awaken in them solicitude; while equal earnestness in the pursuit of worldly things awakens no such apprehensions, but is viewed with approbation."
That's nice.
So what good labours does accepting YEC provoke in True Christians (apart from a feeling of superiority)?
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There you go again. You obviously have no intention of being objective at all.
Well, you have to admit that an argument that was unreasonable and false yesterday will not become reasonable and correct today, regardless of how objectively you analyze it.
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Well, you have to admit that an argument that was unreasonable and false yesterday will not become reasonable and correct today, regardless of how objectively you analyze it.
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