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Reasonable =I'm tankful He reasoned with the other Members of the Godhead --- and not us.
True =
Writing something down does not make it reasonable or true. Try again.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
Different thread same argument, eh? btw, I added some to my sig...there is a link to a site that is pretty good at helping us out with this debate.
There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
__________________ Dr. Vernon McGee:
I reject evolution because it rejects God and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.
St. Augustine:
“Some people, in order to discover God, read books. But there is a great book: the very appearance of created things. Look above you! Look below you! Read it. God, whom you want to discover, never wrote that book with ink. Instead He set before your eyes the things that He had made. Can you ask for a louder voice than that?”
St. Thomas Aquinas:
“Any error about creation also leads to an error about God.”
Elizabeth Barrett Browning:
“Earth is crammed with heaven
And every bush aflame with God
But only those who see take off their shoes.”
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Different thread same argument, eh? btw, I added some to my sig...there is a link to a site that is pretty good at helping us out with this debate.
There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
Did you not read the OP?
"For the purposes of this discussion, assume that the theory of evolution had never been proposed."
So why are you mentioning evolution? The ball is in your court. From the OP:
"If you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today."
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
IIRC, a Gallup poll from 10 years ago put the number at about 5% (that believe in creationism). Mind you, among actual biologists the number is probably closer to 0.1%.
And besides, every single scientist I've read up on who rejects evolution seems to do so on religious grounds. Nobody does it based on science.
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
IIRC, a Gallup poll from 10 years ago put the number at about 5% (that believe in creationism). Mind you, among actual biologists the number is probably closer to 0.1%.
And besides, every single scientist I've read up on who rejects evolution seems to do so on religious grounds. Nobody does it based on science.
The stats you posted makes perfect sense in light of Gods Word. Mt. 7:13-14. It is odd though that biologists who see first hand the workings of God, all that information,all the woven intricacies of the body, the
purposefull functions, all the necessary systems in tact, the design, and yet they cannot come to the logical conclusion for all this. Rom. 1:20
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I asked Jesus "How much do you love me?" He answered "This much". Then He stretched out His arms and died for me.
If you have everything but Jesus, you have nothing. If you have nothing but Jesus, you have everything.
Have you given much thought to where you are going to spend eternity?
Once again --- the OP has a glaring theological error in it.
We are talking about explaining nature, not theology.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
It is odd though that biologists who see first hand the workings of God, all that information,all the woven intricacies of the body, the
purposefull functions, all the necessary systems in tact, the design, and yet they cannot come to the logical conclusion for all this.
Or maybe they have come to the "logical conclusion". It's just not one that agrees with your particular set of religious beliefs.
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
Firstly,I know the spelling and what I wanted to say(personal reason for that particular spelling) and I am sure you knew what I meant. I said chemical unbalance of the brain (schizophrenia) beacuse of Gracchus post in another thread.
For the record, Gracchus wasn't calling Christians schizophrenic ("psychitzophrenia" is still a made-up word), but he said that some claims Christians make carry the same weight as those made by a schizophrenic. Quite different.
Secondly, I am not nearly as concerened with the how(God's creation process) as some are, but more importantly "the why?"
It doesn't matter how "concerened" you are about it - if you make a claim about something, do at least TRY and get it right. Calling evolution "chance" is a common creationist falsehood.
Thirdly, if you reread the OP you might spot mocking, sarcasm and the belittling of christians. I apoligize for not responding in a christian manner.
Indeed, because misrepresenting your opponent (calling evolution "chance") and ripping off other people's work (cartoon composed to lampoon creationists, not scientists as it made out) usually tend to go down worse than that.
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Different thread same argument, eh? btw, I added some to my sig...there is a link to a site that is pretty good at helping us out with this debate.
Oh dear. Quote mines make baby Jesus cry.
There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
This wouldn't have anything to do with the Discovery Institute's list of names, by any chance?
And why do you use religious jargon to describe your opponents? I always get the feeling people who do that don't have much self-respect for the faith they profess.
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