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12th September 2009, 01:31 PM
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Reps: 84,929,301,057,186,064 (power: 84,929,301,057,204) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET  That part is a piece of cake:
Reasonable =I'm tankful He reasoned with the other Members of the Godhead --- and not us.
True =
Writing something down does not make it reasonable or true. Try again.
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12th September 2009, 01:43 PM
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There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
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12th September 2009, 02:43 PM
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Reps: 84,929,301,057,186,064 (power: 84,929,301,057,204) | | Originally Posted by jpcedotal Different thread same argument, eh? btw, I added some to my sig...there is a link to a site that is pretty good at helping us out with this debate.
There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
Did you not read the OP?
"For the purposes of this discussion, assume that the theory of evolution had never been proposed."
So why are you mentioning evolution? The ball is in your court. From the OP:
"If you think there is then please provide it and show how it gives us a coherent, detailed, reasonable explanation for the diversity of life we see around us today."
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12th September 2009, 02:59 PM
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Once again --- the OP has a glaring theological error in it.
It assumes our current state is related to the Creation Week by cause-and-effect.
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12th September 2009, 03:31 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by jpcedotal There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
IIRC, a Gallup poll from 10 years ago put the number at about 5% (that believe in creationism). Mind you, among actual biologists the number is probably closer to 0.1%.
And besides, every single scientist I've read up on who rejects evolution seems to do so on religious grounds. Nobody does it based on science.
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Reps: 6,617,612,196,484,710 (power: 6,617,612,196,487) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff IIRC, a Gallup poll from 10 years ago put the number at about 5% (that believe in creationism). Mind you, among actual biologists the number is probably closer to 0.1%.
And besides, every single scientist I've read up on who rejects evolution seems to do so on religious grounds. Nobody does it based on science.
The stats you posted makes perfect sense in light of Gods Word. Mt. 7:13-14. It is odd though that biologists who see first hand the workings of God, all that information,all the woven intricacies of the body, the
purposefull functions, all the necessary systems in tact, the design, and yet they cannot come to the logical conclusion for all this. Rom. 1:20
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12th September 2009, 08:14 PM
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Reps: 84,929,301,057,186,064 (power: 84,929,301,057,204) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Once again --- the OP has a glaring theological error in it.
We are talking about explaining nature, not theology.
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12th September 2009, 08:41 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by Meshach It is odd though that biologists who see first hand the workings of God, all that information,all the woven intricacies of the body, the
purposefull functions, all the necessary systems in tact, the design, and yet they cannot come to the logical conclusion for all this.
Or maybe they have come to the "logical conclusion". It's just not one that agrees with your particular set of religious beliefs.
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12th September 2009, 11:20 PM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Meshach Firstly,I know the spelling and what I wanted to say(personal reason for that particular spelling) and I am sure you knew what I meant. I said chemical unbalance of the brain (schizophrenia) beacuse of Gracchus post in another thread.
For the record, Gracchus wasn't calling Christians schizophrenic ("psychitzophrenia" is still a made-up word), but he said that some claims Christians make carry the same weight as those made by a schizophrenic. Quite different. Secondly, I am not nearly as concerened with the how(God's creation process) as some are, but more importantly "the why?"
It doesn't matter how "concerened" you are about it - if you make a claim about something, do at least TRY and get it right. Calling evolution "chance" is a common creationist falsehood. Thirdly, if you reread the OP you might spot mocking, sarcasm and the belittling of christians. I apoligize for not responding in a christian manner.
Indeed, because misrepresenting your opponent (calling evolution "chance") and ripping off other people's work (cartoon composed to lampoon creationists, not scientists as it made out) usually tend to go down worse than that.  |
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by jpcedotal Different thread same argument, eh? btw, I added some to my sig...there is a link to a site that is pretty good at helping us out with this debate.
Oh dear. Quote mines make baby Jesus cry. There seems to be a lot of secular scientists that just can't swallow evolution either..more than the 3% yall have been "preachin"
This wouldn't have anything to do with the Discovery Institute's list of names, by any chance?
And why do you use religious jargon to describe your opponents? I always get the feeling people who do that don't have much self-respect for the faith they profess. | | |
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