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All the details you need are in the book "Your Inner Fish" by Neil Shubin. But that would require you read something other than your bible.
It wasn't the book that made the claim here. That would be you. If you don't know, and can't be bothered to read your own sources, just admit it.
Didn't you suggest that the location was precisely where they expected to find the dino birds? If you can't even support your claims that much, it isn't a serious one.
I do not disbelieve that dinos evolved from birds, so it really doesn't matter that some were there.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
It wasn't the book that made the claim here. That would be you. If you don't know, and can't be bothered to read your own sources, just admit it.
Didn't you suggest that the location was precisely where they expected to find the dino birds? If you can't even support your claims that much, it isn't a serious one.
I do not disbelieve that dinos evolved from birds, so it really doesn't matter that some were there.
Actually, AV brought up Tiktaalik in post #8.
I'll keep it real simple for you dad. ToE works like this:
1. Hypothesis - There should be an animal that looks like a fish and like an amphibian, about 375 million years ago. This is when ToE predicts fish moved onto land.
2. Ask geologists and paleobotanists where one might find 375 myo (Devonian) rocks.
3. Go look for said critters.
Bingo! Five Tiktaaliks'!
Tiktaalik roseae, part fish, part amphibian. Another piece of the puzzle.
Now please leave my thread with your willful ingoracne (trolling). Thanks.
__________________ We are surrounded by endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, and it is noaccident, but the direct consequence of evolution by non-random natural selection - the only game in town, the greatest show on Earth. ~R.D.
I'll keep it real simple for you dad. ToE works like this:
1. Hypothesis - There should be an animal that looks like a fish and like an amphibian, about 375 million years ago. This is when ToE predicts fish moved onto land.
The dates are unsupportable. But I agree that the migration from Eden saw much evolving on the way.
2. Ask geologists and paleobotanists where one might find 375 myo (Devonian) rocks.
Ask them how they date them!
3. Go look for said critters.
Bingo! Five Tiktaaliks'!
So they were in the arctic looking for those? Interesting.
Tiktaalik roseae, part fish, part amphibian. Another piece of the puzzle.
Ctreated creatures came eqipped in the world of yesterday, to adapt and evolve to the still uninhabitable planet.
Now please leave my thread with your willful ingoracne (trolling). Thanks.
It isn't I that is ignorant. Unless you plan to restrain yourself to some thread where shedding light on claims is not allowed, get used to it.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
The dates are unsupportable. But I agree that the migration from Eden saw much evolving on the way.
Ask them how they date them!
So they were in the arctic looking for those? Interesting.
Ctreated creatures came eqipped in the world of yesterday, to adapt and evolve to the still uninhabitable planet.
It isn't I that is ignorant. Unless you plan to restrain yourself to some thread where shedding light on claims is not allowed, get used to it.
You have failed to show how ToE could not have predicted where to find Tiktaalik.
All you gotta' do dad, is find a Tiktaalik or other similar 'fishapod' in a geologic column dating to say, less than 375 mya.
Until then, considered yourself deafeated.
__________________ We are surrounded by endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, and it is noaccident, but the direct consequence of evolution by non-random natural selection - the only game in town, the greatest show on Earth. ~R.D.
You have failed to show how ToE could not have predicted where to find Tiktaalik.
I accept evolution, so that moots your point. Nor does it matter what adaptations of created kinds had to exist at one point. I can't lose for winning.
All you gotta' do dad, is find a Tiktaalik or other similar 'fishapod' in a geologic column dating to say, less than 375 mya.
Until then, considered yourself deafeated.
You prove the dates, and I will be defeated. Until the twelfth of never then, I remain, as far as the creation debate, and scientific acumen, on the matter goes, truly unexacted upon. As well as of course undefeated.
I can tell you the secret, if you want to get there one day. Trust God was right all along, even over the word of man.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
I've seen your get it handed to you over and over again, on several occasions in threads I don't even post in.
In fact, I've seen you get defeated so much, that I'm hereby promoting you to Captain of the HMS Failboat, the sinking one you were previously a passenger on.
Just because you don't realise when you've been defeated, doesn't mean you havn't been. Either you don't realise it or you're incredibly arrogant.
What bananas would they have had in Eden?
Talking ones, or just ones that magically give you super powers?
I've seen your get it handed to you over and over again, on several occasions in threads I don't even post in.
In fact, I've seen you get defeated so much, that I'm hereby promoting you to Captain of the HMS Failboat, the sinking one you were previously a passenger on.
Just because you don't realise when you've been defeated, doesn't mean you havn't been. Either you don't realise it or you're incredibly arrogant.
What bananas would they have had in Eden?
Talking ones, or just ones that magically give you super powers?
Add that to your dreams if you like. I really don't care. I am concerned with what science actually knows, and the bible and history actually say.
In Eden, they would have had delicious fruits. Not deformed, hardly edible mutation freaks.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
Add that to your dreams if you like. I really don't care. I am concerned with what science actually knows, and the bible and history actually say.
when did that happen dad? did you have an moment where you thought "maybe i should just stop with all the nonsense about past not being evident in the present?"
i mean i'm sorry but when did you start caring what science actually knows and the bible and history actually say?
In Eden, they would have had delicious fruits. Not deformed, hardly edible mutation freaks.
sorry to tell you this but the the "delicious" fruits tend to be mutated freaks.
in fact in the case of the modern banana its not even really planted its just the same plant being split off.
the picture of the banana someone posted is the natural state of the banana, not the one you buy in the store.
the bible doesn't reflect nature, it reflects the knowledge of what men considered to be nature.
__________________ We have seen thee, Queen of Cheese, Lying quietly at your ease, Gently fanned by evening breeze; Thy fair form no flies dare seize.
All gaily dressed, soon you'll go To the provincial show, To be admired by many a beau In the city of Toronto.
from "Ode on the Mammoth Cheese" by James McIntyre
when did that happen dad? did you have an moment where you thought "maybe i should just stop with all the nonsense about past not being evident in the present?"
The past universe is gone. The present is here. One should care about when is when and what is what. I do. Try it.
i mean i'm sorry but when did you start caring what science actually knows and the bible and history actually say?
From the getgo, why? Have you some thing to put on the table regarding that?
sorry to tell you this but the the "delicious" fruits tend to be mutated freaks.
in fact in the case of the modern banana its not even really planted its just the same plant being split off.
the picture of the banana someone posted is the natural state of the banana, not the one you buy in the store.
I agree. Now all you need is some clue what the created natural was. Until then...work on that.
the bible doesn't reflect nature, it reflects the knowledge of what men considered to be nature.
False. It reflects that this nature is temporary, like the grass. It also speaks about times in the future when this nature will be no more.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.