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9th September 2009, 11:59 PM
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Reps: 73,387,680,619,479,952 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by dad  I see your point. They may claim it was predicted, not sure. Since I accept that creation was equipped with the ability to hyper evolve at the time, adaptations from original kinds are no problem. What is certain, is that they cannot take evolution any further than the created original kinds.
By the way, I think there should be more of this...Talking over the evo heads, and bringing biblical truths and God into it! 
Neil Shubin and his colleagues were just walking one day on Ellesmere island in Canada, and what do you know, they tripped over five Tiktaaliks. Wow, so lucky.
Yes, ToE was used to predict precisely where and what kind of animal was to be found there. But then again, ToE has predictive power, where creationism (TM) has absoultutely zero. So I guess that just leaves you guys talking spiritual over our heads. |
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by LifeToTheFullest! Neil Shubin and his colleagues were just walking one day on Ellesmere island in Canada, and what do you know, they tripped over five Tiktaaliks. Wow, so lucky.
Yes, ToE was used to predict precisely where and what kind of animal was to be found there. But then again, ToE has predictive power, where creationism (TM) has absoultutely zero. So I guess that just leaves you guys talking spiritual over our heads.
Maybe you can support that with details. How that that Island was supposed to have remains of the tikythingies. Why there? Not that I doubt, I may just be setting you up for a sucker punch, but, hey, you can support your claims, can't you?
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Reps: 18,604,695,596,698 (power: 18,604,695,606) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET If evolution is such an accurate science --- draw Tiktaalik first, then find it.
William Beebe did that with Microraptor gui, the most primitive known animal that flew using feathers. (It’s actually considered a dinosaur rather than a bird, but it could still fly.) In 1915, Beebe predicted what the most primitive flying feathered animals would have looked like, based on his analysis of bird embryos. And he drew this illustration of it: 
And here’s the actual fossil of this animal, which was discovered in 2003. 
When this fossil was discovered, it was the first fossil ever found of a feathered animal with wings on all four of its limbs. But that hadn’t stopped William Beebe from predicting what it would have looked like 88 years before it was discovered.
I know you asked to see this in Tiktaalik’s case, but I think you’re aware that I know more about bird origins than any other area of evolution, so this is the best example I have on hand.
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Reps: 45,773,809,592,680,992 (power: 45,773,809,592,685) | | Originally Posted by Alunyel It is interesting, though, learning that we may've migrated North before H. Erectus, then finally migrating back South to eventually become H. Sapiens.
So, Eurasia was just a temporary holiday resort? Why would an entire group of hominids, generations later, abandon their comfortable homes and decide to take an illogical path back into an unknown Africa, cutting through the rivers and mountains? The only solution I can think of, is that some glaciation during the lower Pleistocene caused a dispersion, but then one would need to address the paradoxical question of why our African ancestors would later choose to abandon the warm, beautiful Africa for the frozen ice age Europe some 50,000 years ago.
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Reps: 569,698,563,877 (power: 569,698,566) | | | These movement are really very slow. Over thousands of years herds can change their migratory routes, landscapes and weather patterns can change. Communities also may suffer from territorial conflicts and raids, curiosity may lead them to move periodically to the next valley, as it were. Any of these kind of reasons could apply.
The "Out of Africa" theory leads to plenty of disputes among academics, and migrations probably happened in several waves over many tens of thousands of years.
There are some good audio books on the subject. Professor David Christian and Professor Brian Fagan give excellent summaries in separate books. |
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Reps: 73,387,680,619,479,952 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by dad Maybe you can support that with details. How that that Island was supposed to have remains of the tikythingies. Why there? Not that I doubt, I may just be setting you up for a sucker punch, but, hey, you can support your claims, can't you?
All the details you need are in the book "Your Inner Fish" by Neil Shubin. But that would require you read something other than your bible. |
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Reps: 5,570,983,808,792 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by dad Or maybe it ate a lot of bananas, and had a better digestive system... After all, they have little more than a skull.
Impossible to eat natural bananas with no teeth. They're not like the cultivated bananas you're used to, soft and easy to eat. They're much tougher and not exactly convenient to peel. 
The cultivated bananas are like they are through evolution and artificial selection. |
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Reps: 45,773,809,592,680,992 (power: 45,773,809,592,685) | | Originally Posted by anagnostic Communities also may suffer from territorial conflicts and raids
But the article seems to suggest that every single hominid congregated together and journeyed into one place. If this was merely a case of tribal conflict, that means some stayed behind, which begs the question, why did these hominids continue to evolve in Africa but not Eurasia? Why didn't the remaining hominids leave any descendants in Eurasia? |
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by Alunyel Impossible to eat natural bananas with no teeth. They're not like the cultivated bananas you're used to, soft and easy to eat. They're much tougher and not exactly convenient to peel.
The cultivated bananas are like they are through evolution and artificial selection.
By the way, how do they 'know' that the creature lived a long time without teeth?
If we had the details of the site, we may be able to figure out if it was pre flood. If so, most creatures were vegetarians.
If not, I would look at the basis of the claim where they say it was a long time..years that the thing had no teeth.
PS I doubt Eden had yukky banannas like your pic
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