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Yes, I/we believe Mary had children after Jesus was born
Question. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters that were born thru Mary after the birth of Jesus?
I would like to see the Scriptures for and against any view rendered on this thread. Thanks and God bless
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I voted that I don't KNOW, thus (like ALL Denominations) I have no dogma on this. There has never been ANY denomination EVER that has had a dogma of "Jesus Had Sibs By Mary" or "Mary Had Just One Child - Jesus."
There are Scriptures that speak of brothers and sisters (even naming the brothers) but we don't know if these are via Mary and the terms are rather generic. Thus, it seems to ME, we cannot be dogmatically certain on this matter. And it seems all 50,000 denominations agree since none of them (known to me) has a dogma about this.
I wish I could ALSO have checked, "Does it matter?" because I can't think of any reason why it does.
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I voted that I don't KNOW, thus (like ALL Denominations) I have no dogma on this. There has never been ANY denomination EVER that has had a dogma of "Jesus Had Sibs By Mary" or "Mary Had Just One Child - Jesus."
There are Scriptures that speak of brothers and sisters (even naming the brothers) but we don't know if these are via Mary and the terms are rather generic. Thus, it seems to ME, we cannot be dogmatically certain on this matter. And it seems all 50,000 denominations agree since none of them (known to me) has a dogma about this.
I wish I could ALSO have checked, "Does it matter?" because I can't think of any reason why it does.
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Thank you for your post and contribution.
You are right, I should have chosen "multitple options allowed" and I thought about that after the fact, as I too would probably have voted both those you mentioned. God bless
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“I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”
William Tyndale cried out "Lord, open the King of Englands eyes"
2 kings 6:17 And 'Eliysha` is praying and saying "YHWH, open! please! his eyes and he shall see"
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“I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”
William Tyndale cried out "Lord, open the King of Englands eyes"
2 kings 6:17 And 'Eliysha` is praying and saying "YHWH, open! please! his eyes and he shall see"
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Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mar 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
I have heard the arguments about the word "brother" and "brethren", but I believe without a doubt in my heart that these were the half-brothers of Jesus and James is the same James that wrote the book of James and was the head of the Church in Jerusalem who was talked about in Acts. Joses was Jude who wrote the book of Jude.
I think it does matter if one is trying to find absolute truth in the Bible. When I read the Word, I am always trying to "connect the dots" and see how different people and places are related to each other. To me, it reveals the purity of the Word.
Now, I say that with the love for my fellow Christians who do not have the same yearning or beliefs as I do.
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“Some people, in order to discover God, read books. But there is a great book: the very appearance of created things. Look above you! Look below you! Read it. God, whom you want to discover, never wrote that book with ink. Instead He set before your eyes the things that He had made. Can you ask for a louder voice than that?”
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If you really want to dig deeper into this argument and become more educated in both sides, start here.
Let's put the boot on the other foot - why wouldn't Jesus have any brothers or sisters?
Good point
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2 kings 6:17 And 'Eliysha` is praying and saying "YHWH, open! please! his eyes and he shall see"
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Question. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters that were born thru Mary after the birth of Jesus?
I would like to see the Scriptures for and against any view rendered on this thread. Thanks and God bless
Hi LittleLamb.
According to Scripture, yes, she had other babies.
(Scripture posted by jpcedotal)
Originally Posted by jpcedotal
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mar 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
I think it does matter if one is trying to find absolute truth in the Bible. When I read the Word, I am always trying to "connect the dots" and see how different people and places are related to each other. To me, it reveals the purity of the Word.
Now, I say that with the love for my fellow Christians who do not have the same yearning or beliefs as I do.
I agree. If it didnt matter, it wouldnt have been recorded.
Perhaps it was recorded to help us to seperate the carnal from the spiritual...
keeping our thoughts on spiritual things, ...
Originally Posted by wayseer
Let's put the boot on the other foot - why wouldn't Jesus have any brothers or sisters?
Because He had a mom who was fertile? (not being sarcastic)
Why wouldnt He?
They aren't "him", they're mere mortals born of Mary and Joseph.
It doesnt take away from His glory in any way at all does it?
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Question. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters that were born thru Mary after the birth of Jesus?
I would like to see the Scriptures for and against any view rendered on this thread. Thanks and God bless
When you say "scriptures", what do you mean?
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Hi LittleLamb. According to Scripture, yes, she had other babies.
(Scripture posted by jpcedotal)
I agree. If it didnt matter, it wouldnt have been recorded.
Perhaps it was recorded to help us to seperate the carnal from the spiritual...
keeping our thoughts on spiritual things, ...
Because He had a mom who was fertile? (not being sarcastic)
Why wouldnt He?
They aren't "him", they're mere mortals born of Mary and Joseph.
It doesnt take away from His glory in any way at all does it?
Thank you for posting your view sun!
Ok, are there Scriptures by those that believe Mary did not/would not have children after Jesus was born, whether implied or not that can refute the claim of those that say Mary did have children after our Lord was born? Thanks
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“I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the scriptures than you!”
William Tyndale cried out "Lord, open the King of Englands eyes"
2 kings 6:17 And 'Eliysha` is praying and saying "YHWH, open! please! his eyes and he shall see"
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